dear staff, how is it possible that a photo in curation does not reach the curating members and is rejected with only 34%. Following the line > upload > member curators > senior curators.

It is already the second that I notice not reaching the Senior Curators.

Just to understand, is there an algorithm that deletes photos only if the upload percentage is low?

So I have to think that it does not even reach the curating Members and is rejected? I always infer that if the visits of the members are not frequent the percentage

I see is not correct?

A photo uploaded in the afternoon in the evening has already been rejected. Something wrong with the FAQ I read that a photo can be published or rejected with at least two days?

It is not a criticism but at least to better understand this "strange" functioning of the algorithm of the last few weeks.

Thank you.

Franco Iannello

Hi Franco,

I experience the same, a few consecutive photos, having been in curation for not even a day, been kicked out halfway curation progress. Feels like there's something off.

Haven't been able to publish anything for ages now.

Have a nice weekend nonetheless!

Hi Franco and Gerda,

I had the same experience.  I have had a lot of rejections since the last one was published.  My last two were rejected in less the two days.

To me there are two possibilities: The expert curators are curating faster with less member input or there is a new algorithm at work.

AL

Thanks Gerda for your reply and confirm my doubt.

I hope for a clarification from the Staff, to better understand and regulate in the future.

A great weekend too you.

Hi Al, thanks for your input. I think there is a new algorithm.

I do not find it correct that a photo reaches 34% and without going through the Curator and Senior Curator Members it is scratched in half a day.

I understand that quality is required, but an algorithm does not "judge" the quality but only a percentage.

Each published photo has its own story.

You can like it as well as you can't, it is a subjective sensation.

I do not think that the photographer, regardless of PRO or not, proposes low-level photos and always regardless, it will not be an algorithm to "judge" the work.

I Curate of photos daily, there are wonderful shots and less wonderful shots but if they are not taken curate of by a high percentage of the members and curators, a low percentage (due to visits) is enough to be rejected.

I repeat, mine does not want to be and is NOT a criticism, but a request for clarification to decide also in the future.

Thank you Al and have a good weekend.

Franco

Any which way, I'm curious to know more about the process. I wouldn't have expected a photo with 45%|34% to be rejected, or one with 2%|42% to be so far apart popularity wise (and also rejected). I'd like to know if being 'Published' is determined by an algorithm based on a number/average of votes or one final choice of an expert curator and in case of the first scenario; what would be the 'score' to have your photo published. (The being 'Awarded' part we know by now.) Months ago I requested more objective indicators to compare our scores to.

It's not keeping me awake at night, I can live with my photos not being popular enough on this platform, but why not giving us more insight? 🤷‍♀️ I would very much appreciate it. It might not change my/our ratings, but then at least we have some more background info.

Now I can see Spring outside, so I know my plans for the day! 🙋‍♀️ Enjoy, whatever you do!

I have had the same issues with the last 10 photographs I have submitted. They have gone through in less then 24 hours  each and have all been rejected. I am starting to wonder about this all!

Hi All,

A while ago, one of the Founders said that if too many photos become published, changes will need to be made.

Remember, the final curator(s), can override anything in curation.  34%42% not being published seems odd, but keep my previous sentence in mine.

My last photo at 2%43% was not published.  I think in most cases the member curators are still the first gatekeepers.

Spring is coming in southern California and I am "getting the ich" to go out more to photograph.

AL

HI All, 

photo in circulation, 24% did not reach the Curator Members, rejected.  

Personally I will not publish more photos and I want the Staff to give at least a nod of acknowledgment at least as a form of respect, clarification to this algorithm.  

As a PRO user, like many, I await.  

I repeat once again, it is NOT a criticism and it does NOT want  to be but a slight hint of this functioning or what they want semi respectful.  

This is to regulate my choices in the near future.

 I'm not a professional photographer, I don't make a living from photography, but I just want respect and clarity.  

All best.  

Franco

Franco please take a step back - You joined 1x.com Nov 2021 and to date as I write this have 25 published images - Congratulations well done - I'm a Senior critic nothing to do with the Curators. - You are not going to find what you are looking for here or the answer you want - It's not about respect or anything like that - I know this might be hard to take on board some of your fine images might not be as good as you think they are.

My next point before steam start coming out of your ears - Please see link and post an image in " The Real Critique " before you post it in selection and we will give it the once over and tell you if we see any faults..  And it's free, not all your images mind you just the odd one here and there - https://1x.com/forum/critique

Dear Daniel, thanks for the reply.  I think the registration / joining date is relative.

 Thanks for taking care of my photos and thanks for appreciation.  Perhaps I have expressed myself badly and the different language may leave misinterpretations.  

It is NOT a criticism, no smoke from my ears, I am an age where there is very little left in the pot.

 NOT criticized by the curating members, NOT criticized by the Senior Curators for whom I have always had respect for everyone from day one.

 What I am asking is a simple clarification on the functionality that does not reflect the FAQ today.  

An explanation on the time line that I follow and which is inconsistent with the rules, right, of the Staff.  I have been observing for some time that a photo is rejected without reaching the Curator Members, that when it reaches 34% or 25% of the time line, it is rejected without the same respecting the rules imposed and that is to reach at least 90% time Line and that a Senior Curator accepted or not.

 That's all.  no smoke, no misunderstandings.  

From the comments, I'm not the only one noticing this.

 Before posting on the Forum, out of respect, I sent mail to the support but no reply on the matter.  

I can / must accept that a photo is not liked or technically not good.  

I was aware of it before I signed up.

 But this does not mean that I cannot ask for clarification, to understand NOT to criticize ANY work, with the utmost respect for all.

 Again thank you so much for your kind reply.  

sincere warm greeting Daniel. 

Franco

Dear Franco,

I fully agree with you.

Best regards to all,

Francesco

Hi all,

Just a comment... I am well acustomed to have photos rejected even though I don't upload a lot of images. However, I use to look at the "% aproval" to judge if I'm actually improving in my photographic quest. If the curation rules are changing, then I can no longer use that metric. This is unfortunate... my latest post generated in less 24 hour 1%/42%... the discrepancy is so large that I don't know what to make of it. I use to see 10%/30% range in my bad images and 40%/50% range for my better one (this is usually good for me). 

Pierre 

For the statistics I can add

Published not awarded  percentages for my most recent pictures , all from 2022 I think. 91%\84 %. 72%/74%, 37%/62%, 69%/69%, 95%/94%, 62%/68%, 43%/70%, 88/93, 48%/42%, 42%/92%

awarded 99%/99%

best regards

Ulrike

Hi all,

I am knew on 1X.com. I would like to know (in details) the mechanics for the following:

1- To Publish in 1X.com

2- To win Awardded Certificate 

3- What is the Link of Real Critique?

4- Re: Contests, how photos we allowed to post in it?

Thank you very much,

Ramzi Nari

Dear Mike Kreiten,

Head Senior Critic,

Have a nice day,

Once again, I state my objection about Curation to my photo already in curation process (The Corinthian Capital Man), up to now gains 3% according to member curations!! In my opinion, this phto deserves to get very good percentage from them rather 3%!! I kindly ask you to see the attached photo and let me know whats wrong with it. It is a graffiti on a building about abovemention suject. It is not an artistic photo rather it is street photo. I don't know what mechanism used by those members curators to give such low degree on it. I think this will affetct about the final result when it comes to senior curators to evaluate my photo. 

I am not feeling happy with this process at all. 

Thank you so much,

Ramzi Nari

Ramzi Nari I see your imge was published - Congratulations you should always wait until your image has finished selection. By the way Mike Kreiten is head Senior Critic - Not Head Curator - Like myself we Senior Critics help people better them selves - Head Curators sit in judgement of all of our images...

Thank you so much dear Daniel Springgay. I am talking about the results of Members Curators. Most of the time are Lower than of Senior Curators. 

I really appreciate your kind response.

Respectfully,

Ramzi Nari

Dear Ramzi,

As Daniel mentioned, curation and critique are very differret thimgs. We both have nothing to do with the outcome of curation, we are critics.

There are members, expert curators  and head curators involved in your scores, please don't confuse the terms.

I doubt there is a sense in complaining about the outcome of the two-stage voting, member and expert curator score. Only head curators decide what becomes awarded, There may be some misinterpretation of scores sometimes, which leads to bizarre 1-3% scores. Please write support if you feel it can't be correct.

Daniel and I also mentioned there is a dedicated forum to receive critique. Posting your works anywhere does not make real sense. If everybody would do that forums would be spoiled with photos irrelevant for 1x. The one above has big issues with posterization pf colours, on skin, fabric, even in his face. It's overdone in PS, I'd say. 

Please visit https://1x.com/forum/critique with your work for more detailed feedback.

Mike

Hi,
a quick question about my understanding. Do the member curators have a higher status than the expert curators? Or how can I understand that a photo >16% / 16% - 40% / 40%< is rejected and a photo >36% / 36% - 2% / 2%< is published? I would be very pleased to receive an answer from you.
Best regards Jürgen Muß

Head Curators decide, not members. Even 1% / 1% can be published or awarded, theoretically.

Mike,

Do the Head Curators see every photo submitted to Curation, or only the ones that get over the Member Curation hurdle?  It would be wonderful if the Head Curators looked closely at each and every photo, but that would be a huge workload for them.  If they do make the decisions to 'Publish' or 'Reject',  then what is the purpose of members voting in Member Curation? 

. . . .  Steven

What sense member curation has I don't know. Maybe just getting members involved? But a photo can be still awarded if scores are low, which tells me head curators (the only ones deciding whether a photo becomes awarded) have a look at all pictures, no  matter what.