.I think the curation is taking too long. At that time I registered as a Pro Member and for the price I should be able to put 10 pictures in the curation. Now you can only upload one picture and the curation will take forever! I also wonder how you can then upload a nice series. And something else on the subject of curation: There are so many outstanding and excellent photographers involved in the curation. If a picture has a rating of 99%, then only the head curator can actually be wrong if he does not consider the picture to be "awarded".

Fact is everybody voted "publish", just curators did not award it. These things happen obviously, and I don't understand it either.

WE are the members and in my opinion the site should show what we like to see...

I fully agree with your comment that the curation is taking too long. I also wanted to suggest to add a possibility to stop the curation process if you see that your picture is not gaining popularity.

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A Pro member as 1x.com stated could upload 20 photo per week and all those should go to curation, NOW two images are curated per week and this means your upload of 6 weeks would took the whole years to be curated .

THIS IS TO BE CORRECTED.

Self curation can help. Nobody needs 80 photos be curated per month, I think. Please take in mind that when you participate in an international contest like IPA (International Photo Awards) you have to pay 25 US $ per entry (as a non pro). As a professional you pay 35 US $.

PER ENTRY.

OK, there are some contests with smaller fees. But in most cases you pay between 10 and 20 Euro / US $ per entry.

Now, as a PRO member with 1X you pay 6 Euro per month. And if you want 80 photos be curated per month by 1X curators, that means you pay less than 0,1 Euro or US $ per photo. 

Please consider this when you ask für more curation capacity.

Good light, Hans-Martin

With my all due respect, you have missed what I am talking about.

I am talking about what we all knew about 1x.com since 12 years ( that is my subscription time ), a PRO membership is to upload and curation of 20 photos weekly 

This is what we all memorized from the subscription page, FAQ, and from 1x.com About.

The question of contests and their fees is totally irrelavent.

If this is to be changed ( 20 uploading and curation ) it should be stated in the FAQ, subscription form, and the about for the purpose of clarity and clearance.

Now I could tell my personal reason frankly, I subscribe on three month basis, I have uploaded a bunch of photos during the previous 3 months but defintly far less than what is allowed ( the maximum allowed  240/3 months), and when the my subscription ends, and I send a photo to curation, the site told me you are not allowed, so I have subscribed again just to send my photos to curation. 

Now I hope you have got my point .

Stay well and fine.

.

Hans-Martin,

I travel for photgraphy, my spouse is a studied photographer as well. So we plan for our subjects, the right time to capture them, and easily have 2 or 3 fabulous shots a day. Let's say we travel a country for two weeks. We come back with at least 15 shots that are at a level to have a chance for publication here. 

My last 15 photos all took 6 days to be curated, 13 were published. None took shorter than 6 days. That's 90 days, 3 months to publish the work of two weeks. I travel multiple times a year, it would keep me constantly busy to put photos to the queue. So do you really think the "throughput" today is sufficient for everybody? 20 a month is probably not what is needed for most of us, but it was the 1X rule before changes were made obviousy nobody appreciates.

And now the statements say 2-3 days, but that's not the promises kept. So it's only natural people complain - or leave 1x.

Your comparison does not help anybody being dissappointed.

Mike

Mhhhmmm, since your last published and awarded image "ZigZag" one month ago (31 days) you got 14 other photos published. Something must be wrong with your calculation. 14 images * 6 days (your mentioned average curation time) would mean 84 days. Much more than the one month in reality.

It makes always sense to discover fake news.

I don't have the time at the moment to write about curation, image floods and so on, maybe I will do this at a later time.

Hans-Martin

I know the "trick" to apply for curation with multiple images. Should I reveal it, that door might be closed. I'm talking about the time it obviously takes (and it is 6 days, always) and 15 photos take 90 days then. Also not selected photos take time, Martin.

Don't blame me to spread fake news, I always stick to facts. 

The average time for curation (in my case) is 4,5 days. Since I'm not constantly in front of the PC, it is not possible to immediately put the next image to curation, so let's say 5 days. That means 6 photos per month.

Then, there is the issue with the credibility of the curation process. It ususally reaches 90% within 1-2 days and then remains stucked another 2-3 days. And the curious thing is that while no more votes are added, the popularity percentage continues to fluctuate (even the one for members curators, which have stop voting a long time ago). Or I don't understand what that 90% means. 

And of course how is it possible the popularity percentage to be absolutely the same for the landscape images and all uploaded images? it doesn't make sense. And I could continue mentioning more and more ...
i suppose that this is due to some software bug, but it doesn't help to gain credibility for the curation.

Since my PRO membership is renewed in the next few days, I would like to know if these issues are going to be fixed soon, and if 6 images per month in curation is the best I can expect.

George

Hi George,

The score system is buggy as hell. Have a look at the below. It says 1% and 0% popular, while I got two very positive curation comments. First of all, I don't think I ever deliverd a photo nobody liked (0%), secondly the score makes totally no sense - since very obviously two curating members liked it.

Of course it was rejected, another thing rarely happening to me. In two cases the score sytem failed and they weren't published. Here's one of them:

Not quite sure with this.

The comment "Good lights and nice colors, well done" can be found below many of my pictures that I sent to curation during the last weeks.  

mike kreiten

Hi George,

 

The score system is buggy as hell. Have a look at the below. It says 1% and 0% popular, while I got two very positive curation comments. First of all, I don't think I ever deliverd a photo nobody liked (0%), secondly the score makes totally no sense - since very obviously two curating members liked it.

Of course it was rejected, another thing rarely happening to me. In two cases the score sytem failed and they weren't published. Here's one of them:

 

Im with you on this, i have a photo currently in curation and its currently fluctuating between 1 and 2%. I mean, it can't be that bad. Sometimes a picture will be at 1% for days and then jump to 90% and then dive back to 37% and still get published. It's a rollercoaster ride for sure.  The person commenting "good lights and tones, good job" Does that in every picture i have ever posted, thank you who ever you are 😁

Did you think about the rest of my post or do you just like to speak up, for what reason ever?

Would you like to explain in more detail Hans? because what you wrote makes no sense at all to me and has no connection to the comment you replied to. Enlighten me Hans.. so I can connect the dots and try to understand your comment

mike kreiten

Hi George,

 

The score system is buggy as hell. Have a look at the below. It says 1% and 0% popular, while I got two very positive curation comments. First of all, I don't think I ever deliverd a photo nobody liked (0%), secondly the score makes totally no sense - since very obviously two curating members liked it.

Of course it was rejected, another thing rarely happening to me. In two cases the score sytem failed and they weren't published. Here's one of them:

 

I had exactly the same problem with a photo, it seemed so absurd to me that I sent it back for curation 2 more times :

Send 1 : Rejected - 1% 1% 0% 0% - with 2 positive comments

Send 2 : Rejected - 1% 1% 0% 0% - with 1 positive comment

Send 3 : Rejected - 2% 2% 0% 0% - with 3 positive comments

I specify (for Hans) that the comments received are varied and credible and that my photo is of quality.

I don't think this is a bug, since it can be repeated for the same photo. I rather think that this new algorithm exaggerates the low notes of certain photos and pushes them towards zero.

The % popularity we had with 1x Classic has always been COHERENT and RELIABLE, I don't understand why they changed that, we don't need anything else to rate our photos : a simple ratio with PUBLISHED VOTES / VOTES TOTAL.

Why complicate things? especially that this subject is sensitive and that incomprehensible results provoke the annoyance of the members! that's crazy !

Some lucky guy have 28 photos, YES, 28 photos published at once, I just wonder if he is invited by an ampassador as a guest, or he knows the trick of how to send multiple photos to the curation at once that was mentioned in this thread ?

Automation needs close survilance, correction, and upgrade .

Hi Saad,

That's very likely, if not for sure, an invited "unlimited" member. 28 simultanious was never possible. You can see the member status in the "classic" 1x if you search for the name and have a look at their portfolio.

Regards,

Mike

Hi Mike,

What do you mean "in the "classic" 1x"? Is the old version still active and how can it be found?

George

Sure, George, https://gallery.1x.com/

It is discussed and mentioned in these forums many times...

Regards,

Mike

Unfortunately, it re-addresses to the new version of 1x; I've just tried it now

That depends on your device, Filiberto. On a Windows PC with Chrome, Firefox, Edge - once you are logged in (the login dialog leads to "new 1x") - it works.

"Areas of improvement": Subject Matter. What the heck does that means? Mr. Guy doesn't likes poppies?

In my opinion, a category to eliminate "Subject Matter", because it's too "subjective" - except in gory, obscene, violent, discriminatory, offensive, racist, etc. subjects -.

Best regards to all.

Francesco

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Not for me. After cleaning coockies and history, I've tried pointing at https://gallery.1x.com/ with Firefox, Chrome, Edge and even Android obtaining always the same result: being readdressed to 1x.com (in other words, the new version of this site) is the standard now, at least for my pc config.

The same here. Cookies and history cleared, but it still doesn't work on Edge or Chrome.

Hi again Mike,

Tried on PC and 2 laptops while logged-in, cleared cookies and history, but it still doesn't work. You must have the magic wand.

:) 

George

Weird, it works on several devices for me...

Hi everyone,

This one currently works for me:

https://gallery.1x.com/portfolios

Jacob also clarified that the non-published photos (portfolios) will later be accessible through the PRO member profiles, but that's still work in progress.

Cheers!

Ciao Filippo,

dovresti loggarti sulla nuova piattaforma, poi aprire una nuova pagina e inserire questo indirizzo: https://gallery.1x.com/portfolios

Vedrai che funziona.

Sergio

PS: Non tutte le funzionalità però sono rimaste attive, alcune (tipo curation) ti riportano alla nuova versione. Ciao

Thank you Sergio. Yes, it works for the profile page. But as you said, if you try to open any other page (Upload, Manage photos, Settings etc) it redirects you to the new version.

George

No, George. Only upload is redirected, Manage photos and Settings is still working in classic without redirection. At least here on my MacBook.

Not for me in Greece. Tried on an ipad too without success. Maybe someone from the support team could enlighten us.

George

Grazie Sergio. adesso il link è completo e funzionante

Crew members can still access the old version until all internal systems are migrated to the new version.

Regular members cannot use "classic".

Regards

Jacob

Just a feedback, been two weeks I joined. First photo took 1 week to get out of the curation pipeline and second photo has been in curation for the past 6 days and still says 90% progress.

Not sure if I'll get a chance to try for curation for more than 10-12 photos in my 3 months subscription. Though the critique forum has been very helpful, I'll stick around for that at least.

Not sure how was the "classic 1x", but I'm happy with what I'm getting. Never got any platform with such thoughtful feedbacks.

I as a software engineer (at Amazon) am aware of the challenges with the new products that are launched replacing the UI/UX of the previous version which though was a hit but lacked vision, the reason a new platform is launched. I agree that we are not "test" users as we are paying, but it is like this and I accept it as I believe the platform will be improved over-time.

If we feel that the overall process is slow, maybe due to bugs, maybe the system isn't showing the photos to the experts timely and thus the delay, n number of reasons are there, but in the meantime we can use the critique section at least, refine the photos based on feedback and then send them for curation. Maybe in some-time Jacob will get it all fixed too and we'll be sending really great images for curation then!

Just happy and content to join 1x,

Good Light,

Bhaskar :)

Thank you, Bhaskar, 

for highlighting and expressing your appreciation for the work of the team in 1x critique forum.

More and more people seem to re-discover it, now that it's a bit "hidden" compared to te exposure it had on 1x classic.

https://1x.com/forum/critique

Best regards,

Mike

Hi,

I would like to raise again the question about the credibility of the curation process. Maybe I don't quite understand what that numbers mean. If someone could explain how it works I'll be grateful. Here are 2 screen shots taken with only 1 hour difference:

Both are at 90% of the curation process, which means that no more votes have been added. How to explain the difference in popularity?

Thank you,

George

George Digalakis PRO

Hi,

 

I would like to raise again the question about the credibility of the curation process. Maybe I don't quite understand what that numbers mean. If someone could explain how it works I'll be grateful. Here are 2 screen shots taken with only 1 hour difference:

Both are at 90% of the curation process, which means that no more votes have been added. How to explain the difference in popularity?

 

Thank you,

George

Hello,

Jacob wrote the following:

"The popularity rating shows how popular your photo is comparing with the other uploads last 90 days. 0% means least popular, 100% means most popular."

My logic then says that other images keep receiving curation votes while they haven't reached the 90% which can affect your rating as well, because it's all relative. Does that make any sense?

Gerda J. Hoogerwerf PRO

George Digalakis PRO

Hi,

 

I would like to raise again the question about the credibility of the curation process. Maybe I don't quite understand what that numbers mean. If someone could explain how it works I'll be grateful. Here are 2 screen shots taken with only 1 hour difference:

Both are at 90% of the curation process, which means that no more votes have been added. How to explain the difference in popularity?

 

Thank you,

George

Hello,

 

Jacob wrote the following:

"The popularity rating shows how popular your photo is comparing with the other uploads last 90 days. 0% means least popular, 100% means most popular."

 

My logic then says that other images keep receiving curation votes while they haven't reached the 90% which can affect your rating as well, because it's all relative. Does that make any sense?

Thank you Gerda,

It could make sense for a small difference, but I doubt it could explain the increase in popularity 9 times in 1 hour (from 4% to 35%) and then remaining unchanged for the next 10 hours or so. 

George Digalakis PRO

Gerda J. Hoogerwerf PRO

George Digalakis PRO

Hi,

 

I would like to raise again the question about the credibility of the curation process. Maybe I don't quite understand what that numbers mean. If someone could explain how it works I'll be grateful. Here are 2 screen shots taken with only 1 hour difference:

Both are at 90% of the curation process, which means that no more votes have been added. How to explain the difference in popularity?

 

Thank you,

George

Hello,

 

Jacob wrote the following:

"The popularity rating shows how popular your photo is comparing with the other uploads last 90 days. 0% means least popular, 100% means most popular."

 

My logic then says that other images keep receiving curation votes while they haven't reached the 90% which can affect your rating as well, because it's all relative. Does that make any sense?

Thank you Gerda,

 

It could make sense for a small difference, but I doubt it could explain the increase in popularity 9 times in 1 hour (from 4% to 35%) and then remaining unchanged for the next 10 hours or so. 

This is the way it's been for me since I started being active here again. The score would jump all over the place, sometimes from 0 to 99 and then down to 1. It's crazy!

George Digalakis PRO

Hi,

 

I would like to raise again the question about the credibility of the curation process. Maybe I don't quite understand what that numbers mean. If someone could explain how it works I'll be grateful. Here are 2 screen shots taken with only 1 hour difference:

Both are at 90% of the curation process, which means that no more votes have been added. How to explain the difference in popularity?

 

Thank you,

George

Hi George,

my idea is the following:

Since in the new 1x version the votes of the members have different weights (in the old version they had equal weight) the popularity can vary strong within a short time. 

The curation progress stops at 90% even if there are additonal votes after reaching the 90%. I watched this in the old version where you could see the number of views (which corresponds during curation with the number of votes). The number of views increased in classic, the old poplularity index did not change much because of equal weight of votes. Imagine that in the new version there were, let's say 5, votes by members with high weight (after reaching 90%), and they all voted "publish", this can raise the popularity significantly, in your case from 4% to 35%.

Nevertheless, it's possible that the algorithm that calculates the popularity doesn't work correctly in some situations, time will show. If so, then these bugs will needed to be fixed.

Ok, that's my personal view with no claim to reality.

Cheers, Hans-Martin

George Digalakis PRO

Gerda J. Hoogerwerf PRO

George Digalakis PRO

Hi,

 

I would like to raise again the question about the credibility of the curation process. Maybe I don't quite understand what that numbers mean. If someone could explain how it works I'll be grateful. Here are 2 screen shots taken with only 1 hour difference:

Both are at 90% of the curation process, which means that no more votes have been added. How to explain the difference in popularity?

 

Thank you,

George

Hello,

 

Jacob wrote the following:

"The popularity rating shows how popular your photo is comparing with the other uploads last 90 days. 0% means least popular, 100% means most popular."

 

My logic then says that other images keep receiving curation votes while they haven't reached the 90% which can affect your rating as well, because it's all relative. Does that make any sense?

Thank you Gerda,

 

It could make sense for a small difference, but I doubt it could explain the increase in popularity 9 times in 1 hour (from 4% to 35%) and then remaining unchanged for the next 10 hours or so. 

Omar Mhanna PRO

George Digalakis PRO

Gerda J. Hoogerwerf PRO

George Digalakis PRO

Hi,

 

I would like to raise again the question about the credibility of the curation process. Maybe I don't quite understand what that numbers mean. If someone could explain how it works I'll be grateful. Here are 2 screen shots taken with only 1 hour difference:

Both are at 90% of the curation process, which means that no more votes have been added. How to explain the difference in popularity?

 

Thank you,

George

Hello,

 

Jacob wrote the following:

"The popularity rating shows how popular your photo is comparing with the other uploads last 90 days. 0% means least popular, 100% means most popular."

 

My logic then says that other images keep receiving curation votes while they haven't reached the 90% which can affect your rating as well, because it's all relative. Does that make any sense?

Thank you Gerda,

 

It could make sense for a small difference, but I doubt it could explain the increase in popularity 9 times in 1 hour (from 4% to 35%) and then remaining unchanged for the next 10 hours or so. 

This is the way it's been for me since I started being active here again. The score would jump all over the place, sometimes from 0 to 99 and then down to 1. It's crazy!

If the founders can get over here and explain once and for all how exactly this works..we would not spend so much time trying to guess how it works, if it works, if there are bugs etc etc. There are all sorts of different scenarios described above from members and we still do not know how it reallys works IF it is working correctly. So, since there are 2 founders behind 1x, I'm sure one of them must have a minute or two from their so busy schedules to reply with a good and clear explanation of what is going on so we can put this topic to rest. Hopefully we will get a reply and not another locked thread... because at this point we never know if Jacob will say this issue is a bug and should be sent as an email to bugs dot whatever or this issue should stay here, unlocked... and maybe in a few months we will get a reply. ..Regards, Joe

I'm sure it does not work properly. If you're familiar with the "old" popularity score in classic, 66% is a rather high score for street, portraits, etc. For abstracts it can get to 80%, I even have one with 100%. But this kind of photo usually ends up in the 50s, high 40s in  percentage.

Now have a look at the "new 1x":

I have two other examples that show 0%, both were rejected. But honestly, I don't upload the worst-ever photo to 1x.

There must be a bug in the system, and it affects the decisions of publication  unfortunately.

mike kreiten PRO

I'm sure it does not work properly. If you're familiar with the "old" popularity score in classic, 66% is a rather high score for street, portraits, etc. For abstracts it can get to 80%, I even have one with 100%. But this kind of photo usually ends up in the 50s, high 40s in  percentage.

 

 

Now have a look at the "new 1x":

 

 

I have two other examples that show 0%, both were rejected. But honestly, I don't upload the worst-ever photo to 1x.

There must be a bug in the system, and it affects the decisions of publication  unfortunately.

 

In the old days I had three photos published and awarded and then I was inactive for almost 12 years and now I'm back and I'm trying to become a curator and be active on this site. To hear you say that 66% is high makes me happy, even though the images get rejected. It's funny how some copy and paste the same comment to my last three pictures. Anyway I've had pictures as low as 37% get published and I think my highest perecentage aafter curation was 80%, none awarded though. I see some amazing pictures here get rejected and the photographer asking why, some images are, at least to my amateur eyes, mindblowing! I'm not complaining though, I'm enjoying my time here and it feels good climbing the curator ranking. Maybe we should leave the curation process alone, embrace the mystery =)

George Digalakis PRO

Gerda J. Hoogerwerf PRO

George Digalakis PRO

Hi,

 

I would like to raise again the question about the credibility of the curation process. Maybe I don't quite understand what that numbers mean. If someone could explain how it works I'll be grateful. Here are 2 screen shots taken with only 1 hour difference:

Both are at 90% of the curation process, which means that no more votes have been added. How to explain the difference in popularity?

 

Thank you,

George

Hello,

 

Jacob wrote the following:

"The popularity rating shows how popular your photo is comparing with the other uploads last 90 days. 0% means least popular, 100% means most popular."

 

My logic then says that other images keep receiving curation votes while they haven't reached the 90% which can affect your rating as well, because it's all relative. Does that make any sense?

Thank you Gerda,

 

It could make sense for a small difference, but I doubt it could explain the increase in popularity 9 times in 1 hour (from 4% to 35%) and then remaining unchanged for the next 10 hours or so. 

Yes, they really appear to be all over the place.

Ever since that confirmed bug appeared, my popularity percentage(s) have not gone above 1% anymore... I mean... I'm definitely not the best or most original photographer whatsoever and quality is high around here, so I feel no shame, but I still have quite a funny feeling about it, let alone the idea that I'll ever manage to publish more work, beside the lucky shots.

As Hans-Martin says, time will tell.

Gerda J. Hoogerwerf PRO

George Digalakis PRO

Gerda J. Hoogerwerf PRO

George Digalakis PRO

Hi,

 

I would like to raise again the question about the credibility of the curation process. Maybe I don't quite understand what that numbers mean. If someone could explain how it works I'll be grateful. Here are 2 screen shots taken with only 1 hour difference:

Both are at 90% of the curation process, which means that no more votes have been added. How to explain the difference in popularity?

 

Thank you,

George

Hello,

 

Jacob wrote the following:

"The popularity rating shows how popular your photo is comparing with the other uploads last 90 days. 0% means least popular, 100% means most popular."

 

My logic then says that other images keep receiving curation votes while they haven't reached the 90% which can affect your rating as well, because it's all relative. Does that make any sense?

Thank you Gerda,

 

It could make sense for a small difference, but I doubt it could explain the increase in popularity 9 times in 1 hour (from 4% to 35%) and then remaining unchanged for the next 10 hours or so. 

Omar Mhanna PRO

This is the way it's been for me since I started being active here again. The score would jump all over the place, sometimes from 0 to 99 and then down to 1. It's crazy!

Yes, they really appear to be all over the place.

 

Ever since that confirmed bug appeared, my popularity percentage(s) have not gone above 1% anymore... I mean... I'm definitely not the best or most original photographer whatsoever and quality is high around here, so I feel no shame, but I still have quite a funny feeling about it, let alone the idea that I'll ever manage to publish more work, beside the lucky shots.

 

As Hans-Martin says, time will tell.

I know the feeling, like I'm not the best but a 1 or a 0 is really demoralising. Some images seem to rub some people the wrong way and they head straight to the 1% space and stay there for the rest of the curation.

I feed the subject of another example that I spoke about 8 days ago in this discussion thread:

Photo sent before 1x Classic closes

1x Classic: 41%

1x New: 1% and 0%

The same photo sent in September

1x New: 2% and 0%

Here is the graph of the progress of the curation of that sent in September, I specify that the vertiginous fall from 92% to 16% occurred well before the votes of the experts.

But do the founders of the site read our complaints? Why don't they respond? The problems have been highlighted for months now, and have not yet been resolved.

I'm a little bit concerned about the curation process here, last 2 photos of mine were not selected, it took 2 weeks for both to go throuth process, I'm ok with that my work weren't selected (but ceirtantly surprised as the pictures were well received on other platforms). The popularity status among others pics was on a 1% mark for both during the whole process. Also among the comments I received, I keep receiveng "copy-past the same" feedback from curator's team members.

Hello Alexei,

Why don't you post "Lady in red" and "An Artist" for (senior) critique? I think both have potential, just the light is quite unbalanced. 

It's a bit hidden now in new 1x, in forums/critique: https://1x.com/forum/critique

I'm sure we can help making them stronger a bit.

Mike

Hello

Today we have made improvements to the curation process that will ensure that photos will go to the head curators for a possible award within two days maximum. It should never take longer than two days until it is possible to send a new photo to curation.

Regards

Jacob

Thank you, Jacob.

Regards.

Francesco

Good work, but do not stop here. You also need to make the percentage more plausible. With a high popularity comes a high expectation to get awarded. Most of my latest high percentage photos (above 70%) were published only. For instance, a 93% expert curation popularity did not lead to an award, but a 33% photo did. 

Hi Jacob,

I have been keeping a tab on all my photos submitted within the last 3 weeks since the new 1X started.  Each photo took 4 days from send to curator to publish.  Therefore, one can only  submit less than 2 photos per week. 

Wei 

Eric, I would like to encourage you to do so! The other day I learned that the popularity quote does not necessarily influence the decision of being published or not. One of my photos got published while scoring very low on popularity.

Not sure if I should be happy about it, since apparently not too many people wanted to see it on 1x and it could lead to the assumption that the system is not reliable, but that's another discussion, for now I am glad that being published is not only depending on popularity quotes.

Kind regards!

That is unfortunately impossible. The award process is completely manual and done by head curators. The popularity percentage has no relation to this. 

I find the whole curation process weird.  I have gotten almost 3000 acceptances in international photo competitions with over 200 international awards including a whole swag of gold medals.  I might as a consequence have actually some idea about whether an image is good or bad or what could be improved.  Asking me to start as a raw novice as a curator I personally find greatly insulting.  I'd like to know exactly what qualifications any of the curators have to be able to judge an image oother than clicking the reject or publish buttons.  That takes zero skill at evaluating an image and is just personal preference.  Further the clicking of a button saying what can be improved in an image is totally meaningless.  eg the composition could be improved.  Yes really and in what way could that be achieved?  No suggestions no useful feedback.  This whole curation system is largely devoid of merit.  So what do other people think

Hi Peter,

I'm so sorry if you feel insulted in any way, that's not a nice way to start on this platform and surely doesn't feel welcoming or appreciative of your achievements. I believe the curation process has been a topic of discussion for years now.

The FAQ states the following:

Hi Gerda and thank you for the trouble to write a long reply.  If you want to see my work have a look at my website:  www.peterh.photography.  In the last few days I have had 2 photos accepted.  The comments are very nice and flattering - all 4 of them - but say pretty well nothing about my images in regard to how they are put together or what feelings they evoke.  I have done judging at both the club and international level so I have a fairly good idea of image evaluation.  The two wheels under the member curators are totally useless and meaningless and when doing any curation one is given a set of words to select one as to what can be improved.  That's rubbish as it conveys absolutely no meaning.  It should be thrown out.  Not only is it meaningless it is downright confusing.    Neither of my 2 images has any feedback from the expert curators as far as I can tell so what do I learn from the curation process - absolutely nothing.  You might see more of my work while I have a free PRO membership but so far there is no way I would pay money to become a permanent member.  What do I actually gain from paying?

I get what you're saying and unfortunately I cannot answer your last question, because you are at a completely different level than I am. I for example gain a lot from the feedback in the critique sections. One of that sections can be found in the curation info of your photos (and here: https://1x.com/critique, that's the anonymous way, directly related to the curation process), the other one can be found right here, at the forum: https://1x.com/forum/critique. I've had learning experiences through both of them and therefore value them both a lot. I think you might experience less of a struggle to get published than I did.

I did already find your website through Google, that's why I expressed my hope that we'll see more of you on 1x.

Peter, what did you actually expect when you joined 1x, what were you hoping to gain from this PRO membership?

Maybe the more experienced members might be able to fill you in on what they gain from being here.

Thank you again for your reply Gerda.  I had no idea really what to expect from 1x.  One thing I have learned from critiques in groups on Facebook is that if I put up 2 versions of an image around 50% will like one and the others like the other so you get essentially no useful feedback.  Same with some creative images I have put up.  Sure there might be sometimes a useful comment picking up a fault I missed but by and large the comments vary from superb to terrible.  So what does that tell me?  Nothing except that people have different opinions.  I have had images which win a gold medal in one competition and don't even rate an acceptance in another so subjective is judging. 

There is no right or wrong here.  Look at van Gogh who never sold a painting in his life (other than to his brother).  People thought his art was rubbish and look at where he is today,  Critiques by and large are worth very little as they are just in the eye of the beholder,  Sure some are useful like suggesting a square format or bringing up something you haven't thought of.  In the end are you happy with your image is all that is important.  If you want me to look at some of your images and give suggestions you can contact me through my website

Peter,

There is a place where you get detailed feedback or even just opinions on your work, mentioned in the FAQ, but a little hidden in my view. You can find it in "Forums", the top entry called "Critique". This has nothing to do with "request critique" after curation, the team and I write to photos posted no matter if they were ever curated or what the result was. And yes, a very common experience is that you will hear about aspects you never thought of. We call it "loaning a second pair of eyes".

CU there if you're interested.

Mike

Hi again Peter,

Many thanks for you offer, that's very kind! You could actually also participate in providing feedback in the 'Critique' section on the forum, if you feel like it. I did already post some photos there and that way others can also learn from your feedback. :-) Some day I might dare do that myself, after I have gained some more skills, confidence and a well trained eye. Just saying; it's open for all members to join and any feedback is valued.

Apart from that, I'm with you on your arguments concerning subjectivity and while curation might certainly be subject for improvement, it will never be perfect. Maybe 1x can serve as an additional portfolio for you, to promote or eventually sell your work. If not, I hope you will enjoy the community feel while you're here and maybe that will convince you to stay.

Kind regards!

Hello to everyone,

During the last days we have seen a dramatic improvement in the curation's duration (from 5 days to 2 days approximately). I don't know how it was achieved, but I'm afraid that it was at the expense of quality. 

I have written some posts in the past, expressing my doubts about the credibility of the curation process, without any convincing answer unfortunately. Looking to my images that have passed through it, I noticed that the great majority of them are in the range of 2-7% or 70-99% popularity. I have no images in the range of 10-50% and only one in the range  50-70%. I suppose the algorithm pusses somehow the popularity towards the 2 ends of the scale, but it makes no sense to me.

This image was uploaded some time ago and finished with a popularity of 7%. It was curated in less than 2 days, and of course rejected, without being send to the head curators I suppose. The problem is that I like this image a lot and it was accepted warmly in other channels, so I decided to give it a second chance. I uploaded it again and it received a 72% popularity and was published. 

I'm in this platform from 2015 and have more than 350 awarded images. The curation process is the main reason for me being here, and I'm not sure I will continue to pay for a PRO account if there are any doubts about its credibility. 

All the best and good light,

George Digalakis

Jacob

I would like to thank you and all the head curators for speeding the curation process. I got my photo published in two days. Now I can upload a new one. Thank you for all your efforts!!!

May G

George Digalakis

Hello to everyone,

 

During the last days we have seen a dramatic improvement in the curation's duration (from 5 days to 2 days approximately). I don't know how it was achieved, but I'm afraid that it was at the expense of quality. 

 

I have written some posts in the past, expressing my doubts about the credibility of the curation process, without any convincing answer unfortunately. Looking to my images that have passed through it, I noticed that the great majority of them are in the range of 2-7% or 70-99% popularity. I have no images in the range of 10-50% and only one in the range  50-70%. I suppose the algorithm pusses somehow the popularity towards the 2 ends of the scale, but it makes no sense to me.

 

This image was uploaded some time ago and finished with a popularity of 7%. It was curated in less than 2 days, and of course rejected, without being send to the head curators I suppose. The problem is that I like this image a lot and it was accepted warmly in other channels, so I decided to give it a second chance. I uploaded it again and it received a 72% popularity and was published. 

 

I'm in this platform from 2015 and have more than 350 awarded images. The curation process is the main reason for me being here, and I'm not sure I will continue to pay for a PRO account if there are any doubts about its credibility. 

 

All the best and good light,

George Digalakis

Hi George,

You just gave an example of one of the problems with curation on this site.  The same photo is sent to curation twice, with two different results.  I assume it is becaue two different sets of curators judged the photo.  This implies it is a guessing game, because each photo can have a 50% chance of being published.  Inconsistenies in curation can cause doubt and paranoia of the curation process.

Have a nice day!

Al Pakulat PRO

George Digalakis

Hello to everyone,

 

During the last days we have seen a dramatic improvement in the curation's duration (from 5 days to 2 days approximately). I don't know how it was achieved, but I'm afraid that it was at the expense of quality. 

 

I have written some posts in the past, expressing my doubts about the credibility of the curation process, without any convincing answer unfortunately. Looking to my images that have passed through it, I noticed that the great majority of them are in the range of 2-7% or 70-99% popularity. I have no images in the range of 10-50% and only one in the range  50-70%. I suppose the algorithm pusses somehow the popularity towards the 2 ends of the scale, but it makes no sense to me.

 

This image was uploaded some time ago and finished with a popularity of 7%. It was curated in less than 2 days, and of course rejected, without being send to the head curators I suppose. The problem is that I like this image a lot and it was accepted warmly in other channels, so I decided to give it a second chance. I uploaded it again and it received a 72% popularity and was published. 

 

I'm in this platform from 2015 and have more than 350 awarded images. The curation process is the main reason for me being here, and I'm not sure I will continue to pay for a PRO account if there are any doubts about its credibility. 

 

All the best and good light,

George Digalakis

Hi George,

You just gave an example of one of the problems with curation on this site.  The same photo is sent to curation twice, with two different results.  I assume it is becaue two different sets of curators judged the photo.  This implies it is a guessing game, because each photo can have a 50% chance of being published.  Inconsistenies in curation can cause doubt and paranoia of the curation process.

Have a nice day!

Hi Al,

Thank you for your answer. Your explanation could be valid, but only if only a few votes are involved. This could explain the problem with the abrupt changes in popularity (from 90% to 5%) as noticed by many members in this thread.

In fact there are a lot of things we don't know about this process and it makes it unreliable. For example I would like to know how many curators are involved in the curation of any photo.

Also what the curation graph means? Do the member curators stop voting when the image is sent to the expert curators and why then the popularity of these members keeps changing? Other aspects of the curation process also need clarification. For example:

I just had 2 photos again rejected in curation with a ridiculous 1% popularity% (stuck at 1% during the entire curation)

The second photo was even quickly rejected even though the curation was not complete (73%) and I doubt it was seen much by experts.

Ok my images aren't very original, but I can't believe they are some of the worst in the last 90 days of curation :

These 2 examples are similar to 3 other curation results I have cited in this forum.

This again confirms that the system is not working well, and has been for at least 3 months.

Many of us have raised this problem with specific examples (Mike, Omar, Georges, me). And our forum posts have been liked by a large number of members who must have experienced the same issues.

Why then do so many quality images end up with a popularity% so close to 0%?

I have said it before and will say it again, this problem is of great importance, as it causes misunderstanding and annoyance among more and more members, and this is very bad for the atmosphere on the site.

We need to regain the confidence we had in the curation system.

I hope Jacob takes the time to read all of our complaints, I'm starting to doubt that, so I'll email him to question him.

We cannot continue to go unanswered to all these doubts we have about the reliability of Popularity%.

Greetings

I agree, the least that can be done is providing some insight in the process. I'm sure that doesn't harm anyone.

I've also seen some weird fluctuations, for example 99% dropping to 8% in the beginning and then climbing back up to +70% and ending at 86%/88%, whereas other photos don't surpass the 1% and keep that percentage steadily.

Would it be difficult to implement the entire amount of votes and the amount of votes in favor of the photo or rejecting the photo? I'd really like to see some objective indicators added to the curation process.

Kind regards!

This also happened to me, today... dropped from +90% to a few % at approximately 12% progress (well, sh*t can happen, so far so good), stuck for a little while at the beginning of the experts curation (at 67% progress) and then suddenly rejected... all this within 1,5 day. Weird! Was it even seen by expert curators? This buggy and non-transparent process is slowly starting to p*ss me off. Please excuse my language, but I'm at the end of my patience threshold. Renewal is coming up soon and I'll have to think hard about that...

Wishing you a nice weekend nonetheless!

Is there a way to opt out of the curation step altogether and just go straight to publishing my images ? The process takes WAY too long and I’m not finding it at all helpful. Why should I care that some curator algorithm determines that my image is 5% less popular than average ? Useless !

Hi David,

Unfortunately; no.

Curation duration improved a whole lot (now 2-3 days, it used to be 5-6 days), but it's mandatory. You do have the possibility to make use of a non-curated portfolio, though. Go see: https://username.1x.com/gallery or to start: https://gallery.1x.com/portfolios. 

Kind regards!

I have one photo in the curation process at the moment and this is the result. 96% vs 0%! I guess the experts hate it. I am fine with it not being published but surprised at it being 0% as the image has been in a few international exhibitions and was also the cover photo for an exhibition book. I am very happy to learn from everyone on the site and know there are photographers who are hugely more experienced than me but that is a massive discrepancy in popularity!

Julie Tennant PRO

I have one photo in the curation process at the moment and this is the result. 96% vs 0%! I guess the experts hate it. I am fine with it not being published but surprised at it being 0% as the image has been in a few international exhibitions and was also the cover photo for an exhibition book. I am very happy to learn from everyone on the site and know there are photographers who are hugely more experienced than me but that is a massive discrepancy in popularity!

 

I had a look at your work published. Very deliberate, impressive work. I think you'll see the real "score" of expert curators later, close to publication. If your new photo is at the level of your previous, my expectation is >80%, in any case.

Mike Kreiten PRO

Julie Tennant PRO

I have one photo in the curation process at the moment and this is the result. 96% vs 0%! I guess the experts hate it. I am fine with it not being published but surprised at it being 0% as the image has been in a few international exhibitions and was also the cover photo for an exhibition book. I am very happy to learn from everyone on the site and know there are photographers who are hugely more experienced than me but that is a massive discrepancy in popularity!

 

I had a look at your work published. Very deliberate, impressive work. I think you'll see the real "score" of expert curators later, close to publication. If your new photo is at the level of your previous, my expectation is >80%, in any case.

Thanks a lot Mike. I looked at your stunning photos and the feedback means a lot coming from you. The photo did get published and the vote went up a bit from 0% 😄

Your portraits are really beautiful. I have just started doing more portrait shoots with people  recently, and dream of getting to your level. At the moment I find people much more difficult to work with and photograph than animals. 

Well... 95% and not published in landscapes. It's a first for me! All my published landscape photos never went over 60%.

Not too sure about the whole process :)

I will keep it up and move on to the next submission.

Julie Tennant PRO

Mike Kreiten PRO

Julie Tennant PRO

I have one photo in the curation process at the moment and this is the result. 96% vs 0%! I guess the experts hate it. I am fine with it not being published but surprised at it being 0% as the image has been in a few international exhibitions and was also the cover photo for an exhibition book. I am very happy to learn from everyone on the site and know there are photographers who are hugely more experienced than me but that is a massive discrepancy in popularity!

 

I had a look at your work published. Very deliberate, impressive work. I think you'll see the real "score" of expert curators later, close to publication. If your new photo is at the level of your previous, my expectation is >80%, in any case.

Thanks a lot Mike. I looked at your stunning photos and the feedback means a lot coming from you. The photo did get published and the vote went up a bit from 0% 😄

Your portraits are really beautiful. I have just started doing more portrait shoots with people  recently, and dream of getting to your level. At the moment I find people much more difficult to work with and photograph than animals. 

Thank you very much for your fine compliment, Julie. Before the "new 1x" it was quite impossible to predict what would be published (which is awarded now). On a bad day, brilliant work could simply fall off the cliff because there were 30 other brilliant works getting the priority.

Now, with publication and award, it's far more likely good photos will be published at least. I don't trust the whole percentage and progress statistics, have seen the same things happening with jumpy scores many times. But on the good side, it doesn't take too long before we know the result. Never mind the numbers in between.

On your note of portraits... As you see and experience, photography has endless facettes to explore. It's like learning another sport over and over, where you always bring the basics from your last sport :-) The fun shooting people is that there are (at least) two persons involved in the outcome. If one of them fails, there is no decent outcome. That makes it very different from shooting subjects.

I hope your next shots run smoother in curation scoring :-)

Mike

Hello friends,

Here is my recent experience:

Photo 1 had a score of 35% (member) and 36% (expert).

Photo 2 had a score of 58% (member) and 26% (expert).

Photo 3 had a score of 78% (member) and 0% (expert).

I strongly doubted Photo 1 would be published on account of the low numbers (from previous experiences I had guessed numbers around 40% as a minimum would be required) BUT it was published.

I expected photo 2 would be rejected in spite of the good member percentage, on account of the low expert percentage, and it was actually rejected.

I was totally sure photo 3 would be rejected, on account of the 0 (!) expert percentage, BUT it was published.

Like others, I am at a complete loss to understand the rationale of the curation process.

Meanwhile, in the recent past I had a photo incredibly published with 0%/7%. Later, somebody remarked that the numbers of some old photos had changed, and I found the numbers of that photo of mine to have indeed changed to 60%/57%. Jacob Jovelou explained that a bug in the program had been corrected.

I wonder whether we are presently facing yet another bug: if expert curation is supposed to count much more that member curation, how is it possible that a photo which has not found grace with a single expert curator be published at all?

Perhaps Jacob might deign to put in one of his rare appearances to explain what is actually going on with the curation process?

Eden

I tried to ask the same question, but there is only silence from those who can give a correct explanation to that. 

The most important thing is to pay for a subscription, what numbers you get is not relevant. 

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