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"Machines will be capable, within twenty years, of doing any work a man can do.” ~Herbert A. Simon (1965)
In July 2023, I attended in an AI research forum. An Amazon researcher introduced to us several AI projects currently undertaken at Amazon. During the event, we had lunch together. When she learned that I was also a photographer, she bluntly said to me: "Midjourney ended photography!"
Although I cannot agree with this statement, her words present the view of many professionals engaged in the cutting-edge research on generative AI. In this article, from the perspectives of both as an AI scientist and as a professional photographer, I try to thoroughly explore the profound impact that generative AI is having on traditional photography; and how we, as photographers, should face it to this challenge.
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Yan Zhang CREW Dear Friends, thanks you for reading this article and providing your comments here. Yes, this is a big and difficult topic that we all have to face it. I am heading to the mountain, will come back to read through your feedback in couple of days. |
Miro Susta CREW This is a difficult topic and am afraid to spread my opinion on it.
I'm not an artist, I'm only an engineer, I can imagine that AI may drastically change engineering work in near and far feature, but if AI starts changing photo world, then I stop buying photo books, attending photo exhibitions, visiting photo platforms.
Imagine that you using AI, for example Midjourney, then write car-flower-girl and AI create beautiful picture, how to link this to photography work, it is just cheating,
I sincerely hope that 1x photographs are keeping hands away from AI.
Many 1x magazine readers might not accept my comment but this my sincere opinion. |
Gabriela Pantu PRO Dear Miro, you are right, 1x is a refined photography platform and I like it that way. But Udo noticed, and I noticed too, that there are published and award-winning images that are not entirely photographs. That's why I said artists shouldn't post images as photos if they aren't. It is a matter of moral conduct. Not everyone can distinguish AI elements, especially when applying flowery or embossed textures, but it's always obvious to me because I'm familiar with AI.
That's why I said that the presence of AI creations or with AI elements on 1x, wouldn't be a problem if there was a dedicated section. But for now, although it does not exist, AI has infiltrated due to the lack of ethics of some artists. Given the extremely large number of images that need to be curated, it is almost impossible to filter all images that have AI elements. |
Miro Susta CREW I was reading your comments to this subject dear Gabriela, I understood that this is not simple issue and fully agree with your proposal. Many thanks for your contribution to this subject, wish you a very nice week. |
Gabriela Pantu PRO Always a pleasure, dear Miro, thank you too and I also wish you a wonderful week |
Bole Kuljic PRO This is a great topic and applaud the editors on this.
I appreciate Udo's and Gabriela's take on AI and photography. AI is here to stay and probably will make some other form of artistic expression. And that's fine. As long as we distinguish between the two and make it transparent. I, too, believe that most of the awarded photographs at 1x have some form of AI incorporated. Why not have two categories: one AI-augmented and one," raw", conventional photos edited with just basic Fs functions? thinking out loud. |
Serge Melesan PRO Interesting article |
Gabriela Pantu PRO Thank you for this very interesting and necessary (in my opinion) article and congratulations dear Yan and dear Yvette! <3 <3
Now is a time where AI has become a tool within anyone's reach, just as the camera once did, and so I see no limitation in how we can use it to enable a higher expression of artistic vision.
AI is a powerful tool, and like almost any tool, it can be used for both good and bad reasons.
Even if a 'photographic' image created by AI looks amazing, at this point in the development of this tool, it is clearly not an image captured by the camera.
Even in the images that illustrate this article, which are great, very complex, you can see the AI's inability to control light, render eyes, hands, etc., but this doesn't bother me at all because it's an AI creation, not a photo, so I apply different criteria to evaluate it.
As Udo said, on 1x there are a lot of award winning images that are completely AI made or incorporate AI elements/objects.
For example, I noticed a method of blurring the presence of AI elements by overlaying photographed flowers as textures over AI portraits, but the eyes/hands are faulty in them. Additionally, lights and shadows always create a problem in AI creations. It can be fixed in Ps, but not perfect.
So, don’t call it photo if it isn’t.
The presence of AI creations or with AI elements on 1x, wouldn't be a problem if there was a dedicated section.
Without it, I think over time the site might suffer a lack of credibility, given that it is solely dedicated to photography and at this moment on the site photography coexists without problems with AI creations.
I make AI creations, so I'm familiar with the subject.I also created triptychs from my photos, including the photo I processed with AI in each triptych, but I did not post such images on 1x because the final image is not just a photo.
I can tell you that a series of my triptychs won an honorable mention at BIFA last year, so AI's creations are recognized and awarded in dedicated sections of international photography competitions.
At BIFA 2023 I won silver and bronze for my black and white photography, but I was happier for the honorable mention because I worked for the whole collection of 15 triptychs for almost a year, to control the AI tool and be its boss, so to speak.If you want to see which is my approach,
https://budapestfotoawards.com/winners/social/2023/93-29764-23/1703161186/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR12nCxwucVFnaxjphRlrklewMCyroBkh7ssi9FxrgI34nuu-9FLHBLjZ4A_aem_AQmYc-60rBUfmxuGM6or8QHCBnoe3PqBRhrkrnQqGweFhHDXG4WbAUFLjWHquy2euwbhmacGVWQlJ-wO5y-OApUc
I strongly believe that photography remains a type of creation whose status will not be challenged.
Painting didn't disappear after photography, photography didn't disappear after AI entered the world. And it came a long time ago, now it's within everyone's reach.
Art forms simply coexist and document reality and fantasy with their own means. I don't think art today is better or worse than art in the past. Instead, I believe that different art forms and mediums of expression coexist without hierarchy, mirroring society in all its complexity throughout history.
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Udo Dittmann PRO Your Metamorphose is great - love it! |
Gabriela Pantu PRO Dear Udo, thank you so much, means a lot! Very happy for your kind words! : D |
Udo Dittmann PRO From my point of view, photography will not die, even if many people will use AI to create photographic works in the future - I am even convinced that AI has already been used today for awarded photos here at 1x.com ... and all this unnoticed by the curators.
I would like to leave aside the problems of AI in relation to copyright and the possibility of creating realistic photos for FakeNews - this will have to be regulated across national borders in the future.
Nevertheless, I believe that we have to face up to the new medium, because it makes no sense to bury our heads in the sand, Vogel Strauss-style. Many photographers come straight out with holy water and would prefer to banish AI to a dark corner.
But I don't think that's right, because AI also means progress in many ways and you can't stop it.
Back to why photography will not die: Creating photos with AI is fun at first - I've already tried it out for myself privately. But creating a photo with a camera, where you sometimes have to go to a lot of trouble to capture the perfect moment, is much more satisfying, because you have created the photographic work yourself!
Udo Dittmann |