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Beverley Pohlner
10 years ago
I know that they like members to upload their photo's in quite a large format, and then state that they are copyrighted. However how sure can we be that our photo's are safe here from being used elsewhere?
My good friend was easily able to download photographs, not because he wanted them, but rather he used it to try out how safe photo's are on here. He found it not too hard at all.
Wonder what others think.
Gianfranco Barbieri
10 years ago
Was he able to download the reduced format or the HD-print format ? Thank you.
Alfred Forns CREW 
10 years ago — Moderator
Hi Beverly
 
I feel there is only one way to protect images and that is to register all.
 
I'm sure Down Under there is a similar method. In the US, images can be placed in CDs (low resolution) and are registered in the Library of Congress.
 
A dispute comes up and you have proof.
 
There is a way to find stolen images, a program called TinEye Reverse Image Search. Will seek out your images and works well. Will take time from the time posted and the program being able to find.
 
Will be shocked at the results. Most thefts are harmless but in some cases they are being sold for profit Then you can take action.
 
In general, would not worry since having complete protection would probably make the photo posting not enjoyable.
 
There are invisible watermarks you can use, good ones will have to purchase. I just run the TinEye once in a while and see what is going on.
 
Its all a personal choice of comfort !!
 
al
Head Moderator
Carol Dorion
10 years ago
Thank you Al for the info about TinEye , i wasn't aware such program existed .
 
Cheers
Anna Golitsyna
10 years ago
Another possibility to search for your images is Google image search: https://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en&gws_rd=ssl . Click on the camera icon and you'll see the choice between uploading a sample picture and URL. I think nowadays Google image search finds more pictures than TinEye.
 
Anna
Beverley Pohlner
10 years ago
That I will have to find out for you Gianfranco Barbieri.
Beverley Pohlner
10 years ago
Thank you to all those who have taken the time to reply to my post here, and especially those who have positive ways to help with this issue.
Gianfranco, yes my friend was able to get it into the HD format, btw he was using one of my photo's just as an experiment.
 
I appreciate what you have written Alfred Forns , also your thoughts too Anna Golitsyna, as well as those of Incony Blue .
 
I'm not sure that anyone would want to steal or use my photo's, and that wasn't my main reason for posting this question, rather to see what others thought, and I thank you all very much.
Ralf Stelander CREW 
10 years ago — Founder
Thank you to all those who have taken the time to reply to my post here, and especially those who have positive ways to help with this issue.
Gianfranco, yes my friend was able to get it into the HD format, btw he was using one of my photo's just as an experiment.
 
I appreciate what you have written Alfred Forns , also your thoughts too Anna Golitsyna, as well as those of Incony Blue .
 
I'm not sure that anyone would want to steal or use my photo's, and that wasn't my main reason for posting this question, rather to see what others thought, and I thank you all very much.
 
I can assure you that it's not possible to download print versions of photos on 1x, those are stored in a safe encrypted location not accessible from the internet. However what you see on the monitor of your computer is always possible to copy, you can just use a screen grab, simple as that. I recommend turning on the copyright watermark protection in Account settings.
 
Good light, Ralf
Beverley Pohlner
10 years ago
Thank you Ralf for that assurance, and that is great to hear. Many thanks for easing my concerns,
 
Bev
brausenpaul
10 years ago
A copyright-entry in the Itpc-metadata-fields of the image file can protect your work. But unfortunately 1x.com helps the thieves and delete this information. For more information read this old thread:
http://1x.com/forum/206/2076/
Best Regards,
Frank
Beverley Pohlner
10 years ago
Thank you Frank, I appreciate your thoughts and where to follow up.
brausenpaul
10 years ago
"Digital Watermarking and Metadata
Metadata is a secondary, hidden, layer of descriptive information embedded into a digital file. EXIF is the format for metadata in photographs embedded into digital files by your camera or post-processing software. EXIF data contains information on camera hardware and settings like aperture, ISO, shutter speed, and even GPS location. You can even add logos, contact information, licensing restrictions and copyright registration information to metadata.
 
We advise photographers to add as much information as possible to their EXIF files. Complete EXIF information is helpful because it identifies you as the photographer who created the photo and provides information about who to contact to license the work. Metadata also functions as a digital copyright notice that, if removed, triggers a violation of the DMCA.
 
All popular photo processing software titles have tools to edit metadata in a single photo or in batch mode. Free and open source software is also available."
 
Source: http://www.sriplaw.com/mls-really-photos-pt-4/
 
1x.com please stop the violation of the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act), don't remove the EXIF and IPTC metadata from the image files!
Peter van Lom
10 years ago
As far as I know anything that is visible on the net can be stolen (copyright infringement). The problem starts when the site is using the pictures for earning/financial purposes. The means of finding your pictures mentioined before are quite effective. Quite some pictures that I uploaded on Panoramio were used on several sites without using the Panoramio API and without my approval. The thing to do is to contact the site by finding the site information on: https://who.is/whois/
If it is a serious site the photos wil be taken down or they pay for further use.
At the site: alpharooms.com they took down my pictures without discussion. But the site allthecities.com f.ex., one does not come far. This is a russian registerd site and frankly they do what they like.
I'm not sure how big the problem is on 1x, but I heard about copyright infringement on 500px.
If you don't want any risk, don't upload to the net.
brausenpaul
10 years ago
Hi Peter,
maybe can help http://www.dmca.com
to takedown the stolen content.
Best,
Frank
Peter van Lom
10 years ago
Thanks for your feedback brausenpaul.
Interesting site. Now we have another tool to work with.
 
One problem we face is that it is always the copyright owner that has to react or has to admit the DMCA complaint. Over the years we identified many sites and individual persons on f.eks. G+ that infringe the copyright. Even with overwhelming proof Google won't do anything without involvement of the copyright holder.
Igal Pronin
10 years ago
A copyright-entry in the Itpc-metadata-fields of the image file can protect your work. But unfortunately 1x.com helps the thieves and delete this information. For more information read this old thread:
http://1x.com/forum/206/2076/
Best Regards,
Frank
 
It's funny how nobody from the management has bothered to address this issue so far, isn't it?
Peter van Lom
10 years ago
I understand that having a watermark is only a semi protection against copyright ingringement. But all small things help in my opinion. That is why I would like to have the 1x watermark back (!) I think it was a good watermark. The name watermark that is used now is too small and not clear enough in some citcumstances. The 1x watermark could be optional.
Alfred Forns CREW 
10 years ago — Moderator
A copyright-entry in the Itpc-metadata-fields of the image file can protect your work. But unfortunately 1x.com helps the thieves and delete this information. For more information read this old thread:
http://1x.com/forum/206/2076/
Best Regards,
Frank
 
It's funny how nobody from the management has bothered to address this issue so far, isn't it?
 
Hi Igal
 
If you look a few post up from yours, will see Ralf addressing the question with a full explanation.
 
I know is difficult reading through the entire thread, its the eight reply up from yours. We do address all concerns.
 
Best Wishes
al
Head Moderator
brausenpaul
10 years ago
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The only real answer is to stop the lawless behavior immediately!!!
 
brausenpaul
10 years ago
...on the other hand, it's good to know why 1x.com in this matter does nothing. It looks as if 1x.com has no respect for the rights of users. :-(((
brausenpaul
10 years ago
I make a test and upload a new photo. Hurra, 1x.com no more delete the EXIF and ITPC data!!! :-))))
 
I am very happy. Thank you very much!!!!
 
Best regards
Frank
 
Peter van Lom
10 years ago
:-)