Hello Everyone,

The threads on the Curation process have become too long and there is also a technical problem with one of them. Many excellent questions have been asked and answered but unfortunately in places they will not be found again...at least not easily.

 

So, if you have any general questions about the Curation process please do the following:

 

l. Read the FAQ

2. Then post any questions that you may still have about the Curation Process and how it works. Hopefully if we keep this thread informative other members will be able to go back and read the answers which are not lost because so many threads have been started.

3. Please do not start another thread related to Curation write your questions here. :)

4. If you have a question that was not yet answered in one of the other threads please write it again here.

5. Please do not post complaints about the system here. This thread is for questions to help people better understand how to use the system.

 

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Some important questions were raised and answered in other threads. I am putting here some information offered with the hope it will not be lost.

 

Question from Dalida and Andrew InnesHi Everybody,

 

We would like to know why when a picture is not published, we do not get any feedback from the judges? Do we have to pay to get a feedback from them? We saw websites where you pay to get a feedback from professional photographers but it's not that cheap ( 9 us dollars per pic). Will be nice to tell us what went wrong with the picture that we know what to fix if we want to submit again.

Anyway if anyone has got the answer, it will be great.

Thanks

 

BELOW IS THE ANSWER FROM BEN GOOSSENS OFFICIAL CURATOR

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1x is a kind of gallery, where also curators make the choice, who is in or out.

It's also a kind of a photo contest, where a jury decides, you are winner or not.

In gallery or contest, impossible to contact or complain about acceptance or not.

 

We are not paid, spend a lot free time, doing our job the best we can, but if somebody would pay me 9 $ on my bank account, I will give comments with pleasure (LOL).

 

P.S.: Better use Critique forum (or Members screening) to receive FREE comments.

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IN THESE TWO THREADS you will find answers to many of your questions.So please after reading the FAQ have a look through these threads - but please do not post in them.

 

http://1x.com/forum/5/1469/1398982269

 

http://1x.com/forum/205/1473/1398984660

 

Hope this helps. :)

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Hi all,

 

My question is quite directed at the crew regarding an improvement suggestion to curation process. I dont know if it fits the forum topic aptly, if not please direct me.

 

I have observed that it is not possible to check exif data during curation, In future will there be a way to check this? I think it will be of good help to the curators to check at exif data for few interesting images at least.

 

Regards

Harsha

 

Hello,

Yes, you are correct.

 

During the curation process you can not see the name of the photographer, so you are not able to access this data. Also, not everyone fills out this information. This is voluntary and always has been.

 

If the image is published then you can go to that individuals information area fort hat photo,, and check to see if the data is there.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Please read the OP before posting in this thread.

 

Posts which are not related to questions and answers about the curation process will be deleted.

 

Thank you,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

... if I may add the additional information that could be interesting for the readers of this forum: it is also possible to see the data as entered by the author of the photograph directly after you have given your curation vote. You can go to "curator portal" and there click on any preview of a photo you have voted on. This will lead you to the photo, the author, the complete photo info and the possibility to make personal comments that are not curation comments.

It is not possible the see these data before you vote (unless you already know who the photographer is). This is to ensure the idea of anonymus voting.

 

Best, Andreas

 

 

Andreas,

 

Yes this is correct.

 

After voting, If you click on Curator Portal, you will land on a page where you can see little thumbnails to the right side of that page. If you click on one you will have the ability to see additional information provided the photographer has offered it.

Yes, you can also add a comment too.

 

Thank you,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Hello all, and Phyllis,

 

I have a question that I can't find an answer to and this seems the proper thread for clarification. When a member writes a curation review, what does a star or a check mark in front of an awarded value mean, and what is the significance of red, white and green regarding the color of the awarded value of a curation review? If there is a FAQ that explains this, I apologize in advance :)

Hi Jon,

Thanks for posting your question here. It is helpful as now other people will have the advantage of finding the answers more easily.

 

First, I am going to give a brief overview and then I will explain how to find this information in the Blog.

 

There are many reasons to vote in Curation. One of them is to increase your Level of participation on the website. As you know we have Levels 1, 2, 3 etc. Keep in mind this is just one way to increase your Levels. As you read on you will see that your level of participation can be increased in other ways.

 

Each time you vote, you receive one point.

 

Each time you write a comment you have the "opportunity" to receive a award for your comment.

 

The reason awards are significant is that you will need a specified amount of them in order to move to various levels. In order to find out exactly what you need to achieve each Level in Curation - go to the Curator's portal, and click on Levels on the Menu bar. It is between Feedback and Top List. If you take some time to look at this entire document you can see just how many points, awards and endorsements you need to raise your Level. Look on the left side of the page.

 

So how to get an awarded comment?

If your rate is a four, you will receive five extra points, and usually a green check.

If your rate is a five you will receive 20 extra points and a gold star.

 

Only Moderators, and Curators have the ability to award your comments. We read them, and decide if they merit an award. Your fellow members will rank your comments and our decision to award a comment is largely based on how they have rated your comment. If we believe a comment has not received the merit it deserves we can also upgrade your score. And the reverse is true - we can downgrade a comment.

 

I want to add here that we rarely will downgrade anything unless it is offensive, rude or breaks the rules. That is when you see the color red. These comment are usually below two. When you receive a red color points are deducted.

 

When you ask about the other colors green and white - this I need more information for. My comments are rated either red with a minus - yellow with a star or a green check. At the moment there are no comments in the system to double check this with but I will ask another Moderator to clarify this.

 

Now to the Blog. Over time, much information has been written in the Blog to explain the Curation system. As time passes it goes into the 'older posts'. However, there is an easy way to find this information and this is how you can do it.

 

Each time a blog is written - or information from someone else is included in the blog - by the Founders it has a number. You can see this number in your browser. Each time you hit "older posts" at the bottom of the page that number in your browser changes. Try it and have a look.

 

The Blog numbers you are looking for with the information are:

Blog Number 7

Blog Number 8

Blog Number 13

 

There is also additional information on how to write a good comment in

Blog Number 5

 

There are also other ways to get awards here and you can find that in the most current Blog.

 

If I have not answered your question please let me know what other information you require.

 

For all those reading this please let a Moderator answer the questions and/or correct me. I will ask them to have a look.

 

Thanks to all and happy voting. :)

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Question deleted, I found the answer.

Hi everyone,

 

When you look at the curation info you see the percentage and the number of votes, are those votes only the 'yes-votes' or are the 'no-votes' included in that amount?

 

Regards, Leonie.

 

Hi Leonie,

This is just a hunch. :)

If they were all yes votes I think it would show 100 percent popularity.

If they were all no votes I think it would show 0 percent popularity.

 

That leads me to think that they are a mixture of publish and reject.

 

However, I am not positive, so I will ask., and when I know the answer I will get back to you here.

 

Thanks,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

I also think it's a mixture but right after I submitted a photo for curation I saw 25% and 1 vote, but how can one vote be 25%?

 

To All Members Posting in this Thread.

 

Please read my Opening Post First.

 

This thread is for questions related to the Curation Process for Members.

There are some members and new members who have questions about how to use the process and what some parts of the process mean.

 

Those questions will be answered. All other questions will be deleted.

 

Thank you,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Hi Phyllis,

 

I (dalida) have a question, i wanted to know, why when we curate pictures (publish or reject) it is not in our own field, i mean, example, i am wildlife photographer, why i never get pictures of wildlife to curate ( maybe one on 300)? What i mean, it is difficult to explain for me but i am going to try, let's say if someone doen'st like wildlife pictures or creative edit, the person could reject the picture easily because it's not in his taste, you know what i mean? if you don't understand it's ok.

Cheers,

Dalida

Hi Phyllis,

 

Just a bit lost with way curate comments are rated.

 

I'm following a sort of standard that I have read going through the technical aspects, composition and then the impression. I'm focusing more on the technical aspects and stating if it is what I feel. I seem to be getting really bad feedback to the point of thinking 'what is the point' (especially if you lose points for low rated comments).

 

Is there a way to see why a comment was rated so low or is it just a matter of opinion? Is there any way to get feedback from others on here as to what needs to be improved?

 

Thanks,

 

Heihoo.

 

Thank you for this question Dalida.

 

It appears that the pictures we get to vote on just come in a flow - as they come into lx for consideration.

 

It is interesting to me that you do not see wildlife photos whereas I see a few each time I go to the voting area. At the same time over the years I have been year we have not had that much wildlife photographers as we have lets say portrait photographers. So generally there will be less of them.

 

I think since we are 'curating' unofficially we are seeing what we would see if we were Official Curators. They of course do not have the choice to pick and choose photos only in the area they are most interested in to view. They see them all.

 

So if you look at it from that perspective it makes sense. Maybe the wildlife photographers we have who are currently active are living in a time zone which when they upload does not reach you? It is one possibility since I am seeing them.

 

I think for your other concern you really do not have to worry at all. I think you are correct in that we all have subjective tastes so for members they may easily pick and choose what they would like to see most. However, they are not choosing the photos for the front page. For some reason there still seems to be some confusion about this.

 

The official curators are skilled photographers and even though they may not for example shoot architecture they will know when a picture fits in with the lx gallery. Also if you look at the list we have Curators in different areas of speciality, which also helps and they communicate with each other. In addition, they are not choosing photos based on members popularity ratings; at least this is my understanding. They are choosing photos which they believe to fit into the gallery here at lx.

 

So yes, I understand and what i can say is don't allow the popularity ratings to taken on too much importance. I hope you will find some of the tigers I have been seeing...soon. :)

My best,

Phyllis

 

 

Hi Hellohoo,

Rather than re copy all of what I wrote in the other threads let me first make this suggestion.

 

Go to the Opening post of this thread and you will find two links there. Read through those posts because your question is answered within those posts.

 

In summary, the Moderators read the comments and if they are rated too low, we will raise the rating. I am sorry you are getting bad feedback if you writing a useful comment.

 

I am going to look or comments from you over the next two weeks. If I can can see a pattern I will gladly let you know. Also, I think you might learn a bit more about writing a good comment if you go to the Critique section and participate. However, even if you do not want to do so...read some of the comments from the Senior Critics. In this way you will be able to have a tangible example of what will get you a higher score.

 

I will let you know if I find anything if I see any comments from you.

 

For the time being if you feel that you are losing points, I hate to see that happen, so until you get more adjusted to writing comments which are seen as useful, perhaps just vote. I am more than willing to help you with this.

 

My best,

Phyllis

 

Hi Phyllis,

 

Thank you very much for your quick replied. I understand now.

 

Cheers,

Dalida

Your most welcome Dalida.

 

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

If member popularity ratings are not being used by the official curators, then what is the point of member curation? Is popularity not a measure of member publish:reject ratio? And isn't the idea of the curation levels that the higher you go up in level, the more your votes count toward acceptance of the official curators?

 

 

Hi Greg,

You ask what is the point of member curation if it is not used by the Official Curators?

There is no one answer to your question.

 

If is a question that members usually answer themselves by assessing the process and then determining if it meets their own needs.

 

Since we are all individuals I could not possibly list every reason why it might benefit you to vote. There have been numerous threads here, and in those threads some of our members have discussed why they vote, and what it means for them.

 

The method and process to vote has changed many times over the years. The level you are at does not necessarily have a direct correlation to how important your comments are. Keep the two things separate.

 

If an Official Curators can "if they choose to" use member's comments in making a final decision. However, this is not a given. The Official Curators are volunteers. They are looking at hundreds of photos a day. They do this carefully and in conjunction with each other.

 

It is my understanding - and this does not necessarily apply to every Official Curator - they can if they are not 100 percent certain of a decision check the comments from members. If you have written an intelligent comment, or pointed out something that they may not have seen, perhaps this will help them.

 

However, let me say again, they are choosing photos that they believe fit into the lx Gallery.

 

As for the Levels, if you go to the Curator's portal and click on Levels you can read what you need to move up. So voting will influence that process.

 

I hope you will vote, and leave comments, if you believe it can benefit both yourself and the photographer.

 

I would kindly ask other members not to list all the reasons why they vote as this is more of an informational thread.

 

Thanks,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

 

Hi Jon,

I have an answer for you now regarding the colors....stars and checks...

This is what you should see. If for any reason you are not seeing this send me an OE mail and I will check into further. This answer is from Ralf, Founder.

 

"Basically there are two different awards for comments in curation when the moderators click a 4 a green check mark and when the moderators click a 5 a star. The star gives more extra points in curation. Red means a low score for a comment, white is ok and green a good score (a good comment)."

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Thank you, Phyllis!

 

Hi Phyllis, thank you for explaining how member curation fits into the official curators' decision.

 

In reference to what you said above, do low member votes on comments cause you to get negative points or only when the moderators vote low?

 

The reason that I ask is because sometimes I have very little to say about a picture, in which case I don't comment at all because I'm afraid of getting a low rating and possibly negative points. I only comment when I know I can write a lot about a picture and thus minimize my chance of a low rating.

 

Am I correct with this thinking? In other words, when I don't have much to say about an image, is it better to write nothing than write a short comment and risk a low rating?

 

You should write in any case. We want to encourage you to write more not to deduct points.

 

Hey Robert,

 

Why don't you make it that you have to leave a remark on why a comment is bad if you are going to rate it low? I know this could appear circular, but it is so frustrating when you get a bad rating and don't know the reason. Like was it an opinion or is it because it was against what the artist intended?

 

I personally am in this mind set at the moment that unless it is a positive shot and I can write a lot then I'm not going to comment. You can't just look at a photo and go "hey man your levels are way off, but everything else is fine", unless your keen for low ratings.

 

Sorry to rant,

 

Heihoo.

Its about writing a critique!

 

„Nice portrait I would love to see that in color. and yet good in black and white. nice posing and nice composition“

 

The shown above is not a critique at all!

 

Explanation why a critique is not good for each single picture makes no sense at all as this is a critique about a critique and will take long time and causes endless discussion. Critique is a very sensitive topic for both the receiver and the giver.

 

What we want to read is your opinion about a picture. What you like and what you dislike along with an explanation why you like or dislike. We also want to know how you would have done it and what perhaps is a better way. Improvements! Its not about right or wrong its your opinion and what you think.

 

I can understand your frustration but this is up to you to take more time for each picture and to write which is also more fair. See it also this way, how frustrated you would be receiving comments which are not helping you to understand how others seeing your picture. Its a give and its a take.

 

One more thing please, i kindly request you not to discuss further here in the forum. If you have any query in regard to one of your comment please contact me via mail.

 

Robert, Forum Moderator

 

Greg, hi..

The answer is no.

Only a Moderator can give you a 1 and deduct points from your overall level score. Members cannot take away points from you.

I have said this a few times now, but maybe it is worth repeating?

 

We do not want members to lose points. So if I see a l.5 lets say - I will upgrade that to a 2 at minimum -unless ...

 

l...your comment was offensive

2..your comment was useless to the photographer.

 

Write better comments and you stand a good chance of getting extra points.

Read your comment after you have written it and ask yourself - if I received this comment would any part of it help me to improve this photo or will it tell me what is good or great about my photo?

 

If you can answer yes...post it.

 

As Robert has said we are trying to encourage members to write more comments...so just do your best.

 

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Hi Phyllis,

 

If I get you right in what you wrote here, you as moderators want us to write the curation comments for the photographers submitting the photos and will evaluate the comments according to how helpful they are for the photographers?

So far I thought that curation comments were mainly for the members giving their curation votes to exchange observations and aspects in favour of publication and against it - and I tried to do this the best way I could.

If you want me and others to stop that, please let us know more clearly.

 

Best, Andreas

 

Hi Andreas,

My answer was to one specific question about points and losing them, not to the entire reasoning for writing a comment. Read Greg's question and my answer will make more sense?

 

When we write a comment along with a vote, that comment is hopefully read by the member who submitted the photo. In addition, we hope that other members while in the curation process will read your comments, and even vote on them. We also hope they will be fair when they vote. So your role is to write a useful comment.

 

If you write a useful comment - you will be describing why you believe it should be published or not. You may not use those words, but when you evaluate something the words you use explain how you see/think/feel about the photo. You may also make suggestions as to how the photo can be improved.

 

So keep doing what you are doing.

 

I cannot see how these two ideas - writing a useful comment, and providing your observations about why you want to publish or reject are in conflict.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Andreas...I meant to add - if you are still having any difficulties with understanding this feel free to write me an OE mail and we can chat further.

Thank you, Phyllis, I am completely fine with what you say.

 

I agree that the two ideas are not in conflict - just sometimes it makes a difference for what I will elaborate on and I think it is important for us to have as much clarity as possible on what is expected.

 

Best regards, Andreas

Thanks Andreas...no problem I hope it helps.

 

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Dear Phyllis,

 

just a question about the curating system. What is the decisive factor for a picture to be published after it was send to the curators? The percentage of popularity and votes in total?

 

Regards, Dennis

 

Hi DP...

I realize when threads become long it is time consuming to read through the entire process. However, in this case many of the answers concern the curation process and so reading through may benefit you with other areas that in the future could be of use to you.

 

In one of the posts above one of our Curators has posted a concise and honest answer. I am going to copy/paste it for you. However, as for the popularity and percentages ..for that you will have to read through the thread. You will learn what these mean and do not mean..And as more information about the actual numbers when this becomes available I will post it here for everyone.

 

BELOW IS THE ANSWER FROM BEN GOOSSENS OFFICIAL CURATOR

__________________________________________________________

1x is a kind of gallery, where also curators make the choice, who is in or out.

It's also a kind of a photo contest, where a jury decides, you are winner or not.

In gallery or contest, impossible to contact or complain about acceptance or not.

 

We are not paid, spend a lot free time, doing our job the best we can, but if somebody would pay me 9 $ on my bank account, I will give comments with pleasure (LOL).

 

P.S.: Better use Critique forum (or Members screening) to receive FREE comments.

_______________________________________________________

 

My best;

Phyllis

Hi everyone,

 

Thank you for opening this discussion thread.

The curation system is a real conundrum to me and I am having a hard time to understand it.

I have encountered a few situations that seem abstruse and here are below two illustrations:

 

http://1x.com/photo/57149/curators-choice:all

 

100% 1 vote

 

My question: how can 1 vote comes to 100% or vice versa?

 

http://1x.com/photo/520018/latest:all

 

65% 1065 votes

 

My question: why 1065 votes generates only 65%?

 

Many thanks!

 

Warm regards,

 

Lauren

 

Dear Lauren,

I understand your questions.

Others in this thread have asked similar questions with regard to percentages and popularity.

I have said that as soon as I have additional information I will put it here.

Please read the entire thread it will offer you some insights.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Thank you Phyllis!

 

Greetings,

 

Lauren

 

This post concerns the questions that have been raised about Popularity Ratings and percentages. Thank you for your patience. In a correspondence I have had with Ralr Stelander, Founder he has answered the question as follows:

 

"The popularity percentage is simply a percentage of how many people voted to publish the photo. If everyone votes publish the popularity is 100%, if 60 people vote publish and 40 people vote reject, the popularity is 60%. Normally photos get at least 100 votes before the official curators make a decision. However the curators can publish photos directly from someone's profile so then there might be less than 100 votes on it. The popularity percentage does not decide the final outcome. For example, some photos with very high scores are rejected because similar photos have already been published on 1x. Sometimes photos with low scores are published because the official curators believe them to be exceptionally artistic even if they are not that popular. However, the official curators always take the voting score into consideration. This means that if the curators have a hard time to make up their minds (for example because the photo has a very interesting content but technical flaws) the voting score might tip the scale."

 

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Me again.

I think it sounds pretty simple over all. For new members who may not be aware of this - we have always had some form of 'instant publish' when a Curator makes a decision without voting. This is one good reason to leave unpublished works in your portfolio and not remove them.

 

I hope this helps to clarify the questions. Keep in mind that at any point in time you are looking a a score that is still in Curator the popularity rates percentages might change back and forth - up or down.

 

In the end the Official Curators always make the final choice.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

One thing bothers me about curation ... I make comments in which I can only read my comments within the small truncated window for comments. After I hit publish, I catch spelling and grammar errors which I would like to edit, but there is no button that allows this. Am I missing something?

 

Jon,

No. There is no edit button in the Curators' Portal which is where you are catching your errors. If it is very important to you, I can only suggest to read over your comment, line by line as you type ? Since Moderators and other members are reading your comments it does seem fair that you would have the opportunity to go back and change them after people have rated them. As for receiving an award or not - we do not take grammar into consideration - only content.

 

Best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Got it. Thanks, Phyllis.

What does "not rated" mean in place of a rating number after posting curation comments? I have searched and have not found an answer. Thanks ...

Regarding what "not rated" means in curator comments, I may have found an indirect answer on another thread in which it was said that only members give ratings and curators give only checks and stars. If this is so, it would make sense that if no member gives a rating to a comment, then it sits in your curator portal with a "no rating" instead of a number. Is this correct?

 

Hi Jon,

First - as a member I can rate comments when I go to the Curate area. However, I can only do this if someone has written a comment. It is not at all mandatory so I assume not all members do.

If no comment is written for the photo there is no way to rate it.

and

If the comment is written after a member has voted to publish or reject they would not be able to rate it.

 

Now as a Moderator - I can see the comments - separately. Some are marked as 'not rated' and some are rated. A moderator can rate all the comments - not rated and rated. At that point as we are reading comments we can decide if the rating deserves a star or a check. In addition, we can decide if the comment is rated too low and boost it up to a higher number.

 

Does this answer your question.

Thanks,

Best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

I appreciate you time, Phyllis, but I am still not totally clear on this.

 

About a week ago I posted a curation comment that was tagged as "not rated" instead of receiving a number. The photo I commented on was published, so I know the photo wasn't deleted (that had crossed my mind). I truly don't believe my comment was worth a star or check, but what is the specific reason for "not rated"? Why no number?

 

Thanks,

Jon

Hello Jon, can you send me the link on the picture you have commented?

 

Link sent, Robert, thanks.

Hello Phyllis,

I silly question, you mention several time to read the FAQ, I'm looking every where in the site without finding, can you help me please?

Thanks

 

Hi Massimo,

If you mean the general FAQ for 1x then go to Commnity on the top menu and then to About. There is the FAQ.

 

If you mean additional information about the Curation process.....Then use this thread and start from the top....

Count down "nine" 9 posts to one from me. Read that post and all the blogs I have listed...which include most of the info you will want to know about Curation.

 

Also...click on Curators Portal once inside the Curate Section...and you can see how many points it takes for various levels and what other tasks are need to rise in each level.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Dear Jon,

You asked further about ratings....

I appreciate you time, Phyllis, but I am still not totally clear on this.

 

About a week ago I posted a curation comment that was tagged as "not rated" instead of receiving a number. The photo I commented on was published, so I know the photo wasn't deleted (that had crossed my mind). I truly don't believe my comment was worth a star or check, but what is the specific reason for "not rated"? Why no number?

 

Thanks,

Jon"

 

Robert (Moderator) asked or a link.

He posted an answer which I will copy/paste here so that we can keep the info all in one place.

 

This is your answer.

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There are all comment available for each member. Click in your photo directory on the edit button on the specific picture and scroll down. You will find them.

 

The final rating of a curation comment will be done by a moderator and only in a view special cases a comment will be removed but this is really rare.

 

After the curation the comments are only visible for the member who owns the picture.

 

Robert, Forum Moderator

________________________________________________________________

 

Me back now...

So it makes sense that you would not see any comments from anyone after the curation process is over.

 

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Phyllis, my question is a simple one ... when I post a curator comment on a photo that was presented for curation comments, and my comment receives no rating, but is listed as "not rated" when I view it in my curator portal page, why is this (I would think it would receive a number)? I am referring to my curator portal, not comments from others on my photos sent to curation. Below is your response:

 

"Me back now...

So it makes sense that you would not see any comments from anyone after the curation process is over.

 

Phyllis

Forum Moderator"

 

I would not expect to see comments from anyone regarding a curation comment I made, of course. My question is still not answered. I even googled this and two other people posted the same question and did not receive an answer.

Jon,

 

I also had a few similar NOT RATED comments. I think, typically this happens when nobody else (members or moderators) rates the comment.

 

This may happen under two circumstances (moderators, please correct if I am mistaken):

 

1. If you comment immediately before the decision on the photo is made by the official curator. Once the decision is made, the image is no longer in the curation panel.

 

2. The image has received dozens of comments from curators. In that case, if you commented way early, your comment might get buried and perhaps get overlooked by other curators.

 

In general, I am happy if my comment (although I barely get time to comment due to time constraint) is not deleted and read by the person who it was intended to.

 

Best,

Ariel

 

Thank you Phyllis,

 

Cheers

Max

 

Hi Jon

At this point I think it is best if you send me the question in an OE mail. We can discuss this further until we at least both understand each other. Then if there is a different answer I will post it.

 

I am requesting this because there seems to be a lot of information and yet you don't feel your question has been addressed Privately we can talk back and forth.

 

Thanks,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Hi Ariel,

Once I have finished discussing this with Jon I will post a response if I have new information. I don't want to start a major discussion until I have actually fully understand what it is that Jon is asking. It appears that Robert and I thought he was asking something different.

Thanks for your patience.

Phyllis

Forum Moderatpr

Absolutely Phyllis, I hope my post did not create further confusion. Please feel free to delete it in case it did. Thanks, Ariel.

I tryed to find an answer on these questions but I wasn't lucky.

Is it possible repost a photo to curators after the curation is finished?

Is it correct to upload a new photo and repost to curators?

I'm a wildlife photogrpher, I've noted that during the curation that a receive most of the time image on architecture, and sincerely often I don't understand, so reject without the competence to had a comment.

Is there any chance to receive picture on curation more appropriate to the photogrpher style?

Thanks in advances for any replyes

Max

Hi Max,

 

The photo you want to send to the Curators again - is this a published or not published photo?

 

Your second question has already been answered in this thread. Please see my answer to Dalida and Andrew above.

 

It would be good to read this entire thread because there is a lot of information in it at this point.

 

One of the reasons for our attempt to keep the Curation questions to one thread is for it to serve as a learning tool for others. So for example..you question about not receiving wildlife photos has been answered.

 

Take the time it will be worth it.

:)

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Thank you Phillis,

I'll read all the post again.

The question was about a photo already curated not published

Thanks again

Max

Ariel Ariel wrote:

"I also had a few similar NOT RATED comments. I think, typically this happens when nobody else (members or moderators) rates the comment.

 

This may happen under two circumstances (moderators, please correct if I am mistaken):

 

1. If you comment immediately before the decision on the photo is made by the official curator. Once the decision is made, the image is no longer in the curation panel.

 

2. The image has received dozens of comments from curators. In that case, if you commented way early, your comment might get buried and perhaps get overlooked by other curators."

 

This response is to Massimo Mel and also for anyone interested in resubmitting a photo which had previously been rejected.

 

Respectfully, this is what the most current procedure is:

 

You can upload the photo again.

l. Please leave the first version in your portfolio until you have information on the new version which indicates that it has been published or not. You should use a new title if the system does not permit a re-upload.

 

2. Whenever you re-upload a photo it is expected that you have changed the photo in someway which will make a major difference. Since both photos will be present the Curators will be able to see the changes you have made.

 

3. In the area where you describe your photo please use the word Corrections: and list or describe the corrections you have made.

 

Keep in mind that you should limit this only to those photos that you believe have been significantly improved.

 

To summarize, a Curator should be able to identify easily that the photo went through the Curation process and was not published. Also, they should be able to read the corrections you have made, and compare the resubmission with the previous version.

 

______________________________________________________________

 

This is a fairly simple procedure to follow.

Thank you Phyllis for the answer and expalnation.

Have a nice day

I have not been much on the site lately but trying to catch up .

After reading and reading, I find out the the whole thing about this curation topic has not helped me much to understand the real system underneath , the one that still seems obscure to me.

 

Some weeks ago, I had witnessed some messages that later on got deleted.

How can this happen??? Why those comments disappeared???

Why can't I read divers opinions?

Everyone seems to agree all the time and swallow vague answers.

Why???

 

The richness of a site is about the diversity of imputs.

I feel that every word here is controlled.

 

How long does a picture stays in curation lately? About two days according to what I had read a month ago? Not really, It took my pic about 6 to 8 hours to be classified not publishable. Whoa, I believe I need to be updated in the whole thing.

 

Best regards to all,

 

Lauren

 

Hi Lauren,

 

I would like to try to help you understand as best I can.

 

I do not understand what you mean by this...

 

"I find out the the whole thing about this curation topic has not helped me much to understand the real system underneath , the one that still seems obscure to me. "

 

Please be specific ...what is a real system, what is underneath, and what is obscure?

 

You asked about deletion of posts. If you are referring to this specific thread the reason is simple.

 

We have had many threads were opinions about the process have been expressed, and that is okay. However, this thread is not for opinions it is for informational purposes only. So that when someone like yourself arrived to 1x and wants to understand 'how' the curation process works they can use this thread to find that information.

 

If you are referring to other messages being deleted this happens when someone has made statements that are considered offensive. Diverse ideas, opinions and thoughts are always welcome unless they become offensive. The one exception is a thread like this one which as has already been noted is for information and questions.

 

There is no one specific time frame for a photo to be in Curation. It can be about very brief or up to two weeks and on occasion perhaps a bit longer. They will stay in Curation until they have received at least 100 votes, so that can vary picture to picture.

 

If you photo did not receive at least 100 votes then please send to me a private message in my OE mail and a link to the photo. On occasion a couple of photos have been missed with this system, but overall it has been working.

 

If you want to be updated, you are in the right thread. There is a lot of info in this particular thread. As you read the posts read the answers and always the links to the answers...some are in blogs and you will find those links here.

 

It is a complex process and it does take time to grasp all the parts.

 

I hope this is at least somewhat helpful to you.

You can always contact any of the Moderators if you are unclear about a particular issue.

 

My best regards,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

As a newcomer too 1x i'm curious about a few things:

 

1. Does 1x have a commercial aim or is purely a photography competition and sharing site? In other words do curators vote on purely artistic criteria or do they cast their vote with an aim too getting images 'published' that commercial buyers will want too purchase.

 

I'm curious about this because i'm a buyer of photography for advertsing/marketing campaigns in my day job but enjoy creating fine art photography on a personal level.

 

2. I ask this question because it seems to me (based on the images i see published) that curators prize highly technical/illustrated /stylised images over more conceptual 'fine art' images based on pure observation and social comment.

 

By way of example. If William Eggleston posted his images here (under another name) would he reach the front page? ;-)

 

By the way ix is probably the best site i've found, I like it a lot. But these questions niggle away!

 

thanks

 

Nick

 

Hi Nick,

 

I am very glad to know that you consider this one of the best sites you have found.

 

The question you have asked is one which has been asked repeatedly over the years. This is understandable if you want to have your photos published as it is good to know what the Curators have in mind when making their choices. Unfortunately, I do not have an answer with any specific criteria that they use; by this I mean a list of items that they look for in each and every photo- including whether or not it is commercially viable.

 

I will share what I have come to understand, by reading some of their comments over the years, when they have joined in the forums, and I hope it helps you even if just a little.

 

The photos are chosen if the Curators believe that it will fit in with the lx Gallery. This is not unlike a neighborhood gallery you would go if you wanted to display your art. The Curators in that gallery will determine what they like and what they believe will work in that gallery. If you want to know what works the best way I have found is to look at the front page each day over the course of about one month. This will give you some basic idea of what kinds of photo they are choosing. Now I am not referring to a subject but more to the essence of what the page looks like.

 

The photos should be carefully looked at before uploading making sure they do not have any major dust spots, artifacts, or obvious flaws.

 

Originality is highly valued by all the Curators. So, a photo that stands out as having at least something unique to it, will probably receive a good reception from most if not all of the Curators.

 

Sometimes a very good photo may not be published and it could be related to repetition. So if you watch the front page you will see what is currently being published and shown. If you have seen five photos related to tunnels and light, it probably would help if you held off on submitting that one (unless yours is truly unique in some way as they like to have variety. You could submit it a bit later.

 

This statement comes from the FAQ....

"The curators decide which photos to publish in the gallery depending on its idea, mood and technical quality. The curators mainly look for originality and variety in the gallery. If a photo is not selected, it’s often because a similar photo has been published before. "

 

I would suggest that you submit what you consider to be your best images. If you are not getting any published it is absolutely worth the effort to put some into the Critique section. Sometimes, others might see what we cannot.

 

As far as choosing for sales, I doubt that - but a Curator would probably be able to answer that better than I can. What i can say is that cute little puppy dogs or cats getting into mischief are very popular with people, but you won't see many of those here.

 

With regards to Eggleston, this is a question about famous photographers that has come up often here over the years, and there have been some interesting discussions about it. Since we have so many new members it would seem that there may be enough people who would be interested in discussing it again.

If you are interested I suggest that you open a new thread, and that you ask the question in more general terms. For example,

 

How would Eggleston's photography be received today on the Internet.. However, since he is still alive you might want to choose someone else, who is dead. Also pose a question in a way where many people can answer...

 

Example,

Which deceased photographers do you think would still be popular on the Internet today be it analog or digital? And tell us why you think this would be true.

 

You can come up with many ways to gain opinions. I suggest putting it in General Photography. I ask this because this particular thread is for questions only, and not opinions or comments.

 

Thanks much Nick I hope this helps a bit.

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

For Everyone...

 

Thanks again for your cooperation in only posting questions here about the Curation Process for Members.

 

We have many new members who do need additional information and leaving this thread for that one single purpose allows them to find it in one place.

 

There is a good deal of information here about the process and it takes time to go through it. So adding a discussion about the process just makes gathering the information more difficult.

 

This is an open forum, so any ideas or opinions you have can be placed in another on going thread or you are always welcome to start a new one.

 

In the not too distant future a separate areas where this is explained will be developed.

 

Thanks again.

 

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

thanks for your thoughtful reply Phyllis. It has made things a little clearer. I'd not considered how photos submitted might have too fit in with the gallery overall. food for thought...

 

thanks

 

Nick

I’ve got a question and hope someone may help me.

During the last few days some of my pics have been rejected in curation after just 71, 74 and 92 votes.

I’ve thought the final decision will be made after 100 votes in member curation.

(OK, I have to admit the decision probably wouldn’t have been different after 100 votes.)

Has there been a change in the process?

Best regards

Peter

(Sorry for my limited english!)

 

 

Hi Peter,

As far as I know no change has been made in allowing photos to remain in the Curation process until they receive 100 votes. Of course one exception would be if they were published sooner than 100 votes.

 

Please send me an OE mail with links to the photos and I will advise the Curators. Please do not put the links here. Once I hear from you and then from them I will get back to you.

 

Occasionally one or two photos have slipped through the process but up to now it as been rare.

 

Thanks for your patience,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

 

I made a similar experience, a rejection after 72 votes. It does not really matter, as the final decision is already taken shortly after submitting, but postponed to get active once a certain threshold of votes is achieved. In the recent past, it took longer and longer for a picture to get 100 votes. I assume the activity in member curation has decreased, and as a reaction the threshold for activating the rejection has been lowered.

 

But strange enough, I cannot delete the particular picture from my directory as the picture is still in the loop (according to the message I get).

 

Happened to me today as well. I don't get it. Actually, i don't get the whole process.

This is not a thread for options, ideas, or dissatisfactions. As you know there is an entire forum devoted to member discussions. Many threads have already been written about dissatisfactions, ideas, opinions etc...

 

This thread is for informational purposes only.

 

If you have a legitimate question you can ask it here.

I will do my best to answer it.

All other types of comments will be deleted from this thread.

 

Thank you,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Thomas,

This question will be answered as soon as I have some additional information.

If you would like to send me a link to your photo which had this same situation that would be helpful. I would appreciate that.

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Please see my answers to Petter, and to Thomas. You can send me the link to your photo also.

As soon as I have an answer I will post it here.

Thanks,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Hi Phillis,

just to have a clear view, I just had the same issue with thos photos

http://1x.com/directory/edit/653337

http://1x.com/directory/edit/647476

 

Thanks in advances for your help

 

Massimo..

Please see my answers to the others.

Thanks,

Phyllis

For Questions On Voting Tabulation and not Reaching 100 votes. Please Read this before you post Again..

 

Your questions have been forwarded to the appropriately people who can answer this question.

There is no need to post any further about this particular issue.

Clearly there is an issue with votes, and as soon as I have an answer for you I will come back here to answer it.

 

It is basically the same issue for each person. So to post it over again is not necessary.

I only ask that you be patient as it can take a day or two to understand the problem and have an answer.

 

Trust me - I will come back.

 

I ask this of you because it is a thread for information. If we have many posts which repeat the same questions then it becomes very difficult for those seeking answers to find them in a reasonable way.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Hi Peter and to everyone who posted about the voting issue:

 

After some discussion with the Curators I have come to understand that there does seem to be a change in the voting system minimum. I am in contact with the Founders, and as soon as I have more clarification I shall return. Please keep in mind that people are on holidays during these summer months so it may take a day or so.

 

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. and once again thanks for your patience.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

The number has been reduced to 60 because of summer inactivity.

 

Ralf explained here:

http://1x.com/forum/206/1904/1406143369

Hi Phyllis,

 

I tried to find the answer in every thread about curation (hard and long long job !), but I've failed.

A simple question : during vote (member curation) is it useful to write comment like "good luck in curation" if the author will never be able to read the curation comments ?!...

I concel my last request, I justed fouond the answer : comment is visible at the end of the "edit" page of the picture.

Sorry for disturbing !

Hi Jean-Luc. Although you found your answer in regards to the author reading the comment I just wish to help you with comments like "good luck"

 

If you notice the member's comments get graded by other members and can goes for 1/5 to 5/5. There is another grading by official curators and moderators on comments.

 

1/5 comments are short and not constructive to the shot and short comments like "beautiful shot" or "good luck" or even "bad shot" or anything similar.

 

2/5 and higher are given for pictures that explain why a shot is beautiful with 2/5 for a short comment like "Well focused and good colours" or "doesn't work for me as its out of focus and overexposed"

 

When moderators or official curators come across a comment you get one of four possibilities:

Short comment that adds nothing then it gets downgraded and I think you lose about 5 curation points.

The next step is average and you keep your curation point.

The next step above is for a really good comment which is a green tick which adds 5 more curation points to your total

A star for an exceptional comment and adds 20 curation points.

 

I suggest to not curate for points but to do it for the love of photography, you'll always win.

Thanks a lot for your reply.

As I was reading your answer, I was exactly thinking the last sentence you wrote ! So I'll do the same I intended to do, I mean write what I think.

Anyway, I'm absolutly not motivated by points, I don't perceive the interest for me.

However, concerning two of my comments, I got a 5/5, but they transformed in less later... Probably the divine intervention of a "superior" curator ;-))

 

I appreciate this site for the number of nice images It gives me to analyse and for the possibility to communicate with authors I appreciate. Thanks to this curation system, I feel that I improve my "accuracy" and widen my "field of creativity". But this system of points is too academic for me.

 

Damned, I won 3 points because of this thread ;-)

 

Thanks again !

 

 

The numbers get averaged with what a member "thinks" should be given and it gets averaged out. Being the internet and what it truly is, you have people with misconceptions, trolls and low social IQ that blanket what the rest of us do. Expect some will give low marks for excellent posts, or low marks for they "think" should have been written and do what you intended on doing. Moderator incentive grading doesn't get swayed by the number you are given by members.

 

Other members have stated in the past that by looking at pictures through the curation system they got a better understanding of their own photography. I'm no ashamed to say that myself either.

 

Good light to you.

 

Hi Jean Luc

 

the points you see are result of ratings of your comments given.

 

when the first evaluation is 5 stars and then you get a second with 4 stars there will be 4.5. And so on. That lasts as long, as the image is in curation process, as as long votes on comments are possible.

 

if your comment is rated five by a founder, curator or mod, you get the 10 point valued star in addition.

 

best

 

Christoph

Thanks both for your answers, I didn't ask so much !..

I agree, this new (for me) curation activity brings me a better comprehension and analysis of my own work ; it's very helpful for post-processing AND shooting.

 

best

 

Jean-Luc

I profit on this thread to ask another question : may I cumulate my number of pics I can submit to curation per week ? For example 15 pics "submitable" in 3 weeks as I'm a "Plus" member...

 

I'm afraid not Jean-Luc; the system calculates rigidly for all aspects of the site the tim a of a week starting on monday after midnight, and not as a 7 day lapse.

Hope it's clear

Right ! Thanks Piet.

Back to the comments and color coding etc. I've notice that some of my comments received surprising low scores - perhaps by the submitter? But it is puzzling because in some cases, I put a lot of time into creating a thoughtful and helpful (so I thought) comment and yet I only received a 1.5 or whatever. In another case, i was pretty detailed and offered a lot of praise and still scored under 2.

 

Also, how do we know if a crew member has come through and evaluated? Is it just normal that they only follow up on a few out of many?

 

Thanks,

Steve

Steve don't put a lot of weight on the number. If you write an excellent comment for the author and three people grade it and you get 3, 1 and 1 you'll average about 1.5 to 2. This would in no way reflect your effort.

 

Being the internet you get 3 types of people:

Those who actually know what they are doing and grade correctly

Those who "think" they know and grade as "they" see fit

Those who live under bridges, aka trolls ...

 

Enjoy, have fun and lets get back on track.

Ha ha - thanks for the comment and humor.

 

So it sounds entirely possible to write a well crafted comment and it gets a poor grade and that sticks because the crew can't go through and check everything.

 

Unfortunately yes.

 

We do all to rate as much comments as possible, to correct the irritation that comes up to the member groups no 2 and 3 Abdul described in his wonderful precise way :-)

Ah - one more question. How to go back to a photo in curation that I accidentally passed over? I say a wonderful photo just before I read these messages and would love to go back an rate it and save as favorite.

If you already pressed the green or red button then you can't change your choice or the comment. However you can go back to select it into your favourites:

 

Enter the curator portal:

One way is to hover the mouse over your thumbnail image on the top right and choose "curator portal"

The other way is while curating you want to check a previous image then choose "curator portal" between the red and green buttons

 

There you will see the images you left comments on on the left and a longer list on the right on images without comment.

 

If you refreshed a page before choosing publish or reject then you just have to hope it shows up again during your curation.

 

I love seeing all the different skill levels during curation and seeing many gems whether they get published or not.

Don't you find it should be interesting to have a third button for the cases where we don't have any affinity for the style, and we feel no skill to judge ?.. I'm often embarassed to push "reject" only because I feel bad because it's not my world.

If you get a picture you don't have an affinity towards then hit the refresh page on your browser and you'll most likely get another picture.

@ A Almulla

 

"If you refreshed a page before choosing publish or reject then you just have to hope it shows up again during your curation.

 

I love seeing all the different skill levels during curation and seeing many gems whether they get published or not. "

 

To the first, I was afraid of that. Oh well.

 

To the second, I agree 100%. Unlike the critique forum, this contains a greater mix and I just enjoy commenting as I think it makes me a better photographer.

 

Cheers.

OK thanks.

Best

I have a question about the duration of the curation process. I am not completely sure but I think one my photos is in curation process for around 15 days and in the FAQ section it is written that a curation process lasts 2 weeks as maximum. Are there are changes in the rules or is the reason for this something else?

Hi Ivan,

 

yes this 2 weeks are kind of a guideline. But it depends. From time to time, the individual decision lasts longer or needs some internal discussion.

In addition the publishing queue can take a few days more if it is extremely full.

 

best wishes

 

Christoph

Thank you for the detailed answer, Christoph :)!

hi

English is not my main language , I want to respond to this topic forums .

 

This forum is very interesting especially about voting and curation and published . so that in the end one of the following topics in the forum by the forum moderator because key atmosphere heats up

 

 

 

certainly all are tastefully members 1x.com curator , while in one of the buttons will only curation as provide training for us to learn to be a curator , so that boost achievement points on our profile .

 

so according to me sorry also for the members of the curators 1x a day due to the thousands of photos entered and must choose only 3 % of the incoming picture is sometimes also impressed random origin and rotation system curator members every week makes it more difficult to be published than other websites . that is all and thank you

I willingly join in this discussion, and it is the first time I participate in the forum here, my English is not the best;-)

but just to see certainly not to polemics, I have so many photos which exceed 70% of popularity, but are discarded all the time, maybe because considered too "normal" as a photo?

just to see and nothing else

A friend of mine managed to get his photo rejected after 92% score...

while others continue to pump us with dozens of identical photos, taken by the same locations with the same setup and angle and with the same post-processing technique. let's talk about "probably similar photo have been already published"...

 

 

It always comes back to the same debate ... I think it is understood that the site managers are there to maximize their economic model ; for this purpose, they should not be satisfied to show a beautiful picture that appeals to a large proportion of a member, but a picture that is likely to be sold. Therefore they show they have in stock new pictures that belong to a fashionable style and more likely to have success with buyers. Buyers are not necessarily experts photographers like many members. Sometimes it's frustrating, but on 1x, you have a double advantage: being exposed to be sold (publication system) AND being judged for improving (curation vote system). Anyway, I hope I'm right.

 

in my eyes you are

In my eyes you are not !!!!!! Just my simple point of view !!!!

 

Hmm interesting. So if you don't have a buy button on your image the chance of publishing is lower right? I do see images without buy getting published (my own as well) but mostly I see images with buy enabled on front page.

As far as I know there is no relation between buy button and publishing.

 

That was not, what I tried to emphasise.

The benefit of a split system where you can show in your portfolio, can sell out of that and be published aside of that. That was my point

 

 

for what I see published photos are proposed to resellers for selling, no publshed are not, there is a strictly relation! ;-)

I want to ask something about the numer of published photos. For example, if you send for curation about 7 photos of yours but they are very different and even at different categories is there a chance that if the curators like them very much they can publish several photos or they will just pick one of them so that there isn't a series of published photos from one author that are too different? I assume that if the photos are on the same theme or from one photoshoot they are very connected and can be published together.

As can be seen from time to time, there's a chance to publish several images in a row or within few hours or days, so I think all what counts are the images and their fitting to the gallery.

 

From time to time, older images (rejected in first curation process) are published.

 

On the other hand it's not likely that - I overdo - 24images of one artist are published in a row.

 

Between this extremes would search my ratio :-)

 

Even if they weren't submited a second time ?

 

so its means that the old image on our album still possible and have change to be published?

 

What are the requirements an old rejected photo to be published? I mean is there something that will make one photo more likely to be published than another? Is the popularity percentage a factor or it's up entirely to the staff what to choose?

There is a chance that older unpublished pictures can be published as such was happen to me. For example pictures which were in critique section and have been hugely improved also will have a good chance to be published even rejected before.

 

Like written in the FAQ, the curator will make the last call even low or high popularity.

I don't understand how once not published photo can be all of a sudden published? Does this depend on different curator looking at it or wind direction?

 

Regards,

Maciej

 

Hello Maciej,

 

Thanks for your question. I will try to explain. It is quite simple.

 

First, it is not easy to have a previously "not published" photo published in the future. Changes to improve the photo in a significant manner must be made. Once they are made the Curator will have a look and make a decision.

 

No, it does not depend on a diffferent Curator looking at your photo. It depends on whether or not the Curator looking at the remake can see that the changes which are made are significant enough for your photo to be considered suitable for the gallery here.

 

When you resubmit a photo you should indicate that this is a resubmission and it is helpful to include the changes you made. This additional information may help the Curator to determine if it can now be published.

 

I hope this clarifies the situation for you.

Let me add, that if you are new to 1x it would be to your advantage to read this entire thread as it is filled with questions and answers like yours which will help you to understand the process.

Good luck to you.

Thank you,

Best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

To All Members writing in this thread.

Please read the opening post from me.

 

If you are new to 1x, your question may have already been answered in this thread. Although it is a long thread, it does have information that is valuable in understanding the curation process.

 

I want to emphasize again, that this is an informational thread only. You can ask questions about this process and I will answer them, or find the information for you, and come back to provide it.

 

As new members arrive it is important for them to have a thread where they can receive answers to their questions in an efficient manner.

 

Therefore,.....

 

If you have opinions/feelings thoughts about the process or any other subject you want to discuss please use another thread to share these ideas.

 

Thanks,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator.

Hello Maciej,

 

I don't know if it's helpfull but I have an example.

 

In my portfolio is an album called Critique, with three photo's in it.

 

http://1x.com/member/leonie/albums/2193

 

The first time my image was not published. I made some changes to it and uploaded the new version. I send it to the Critique gallery and added this information:

 

-I made this earlier version for the weekly theme 'Expensive' : http://1x.com/photo/580441/all:user:227323 but I was not quite happy about it so I changed some things. The background is made on a snowy day in the forest, I moved the camera during the exposure. The dress is made out of several images of a curtain.

 

I would like to know wich version of this photo you think is better and why, and what I can change to improve it.-

 

I received some very usefull comments and I started working on the image again.

After it was finished I uploaded the improved version and added this information:

 

-I submitted this image to the Critique gallery before, I used the comments to make changes to this image.

 

I changed the size and the amount of the crows and made them lighter the further they are away. I reduced the light on the shoulder. I made the dress lighter on the parts that are further away. The first time I removed the grain, this time I replaced it for a layer with scratches and stains (an image of of rusty iron)

 

I also removed a crow that was holding the dress on the lower right because it was distracting.

 

I did add some space to the bottom of the image and I cropped it a little at the top and on the left side of the image.-

 

This time I submitted the image to the curators and it was published.

 

Best wishes, Leonie

 

 

Hi Leonie,

Yes, it is very helpful as it is detailed and focuses on the 'process' of what you did in order to have your image reconsidered. Your post is an excellent teaching tool that focuses on 'how to' and is informational fitting in quite well with the purpose of this thread.

 

Clearly, the curator viewing the remake felt it was an image that fit in with the gallery here at lx.

 

For those of you viewing the changes if you would like to make any comments please go to the published photo to do so, rather than in this thread.

 

I thank you for your cooperation, and thank you Leonie for your sharing how you approached the resubmission process.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

so talking about resubmit, when and how that we know the picture that we resubmit ( Re- Upload) is once again curate bu the curator? since the button on the re-upload not mentioned anything only just upload than save?thanks in advance for the clarification

 

Hi Felix,

 

I didn't re-upload the image but uploaded it as a new image to my portfolio but I kept the previous versions in my portfolio also. As information I mentioned that it was a new version of one of my images. Since it was uploaded instead of re-uploaded I could sent it to the curators again.

 

thank leonie

yes it was same condition with myself , which is i want to know the answer also from the moderator, because when im re-upload i try to re submit for curator but unable, unless need to delete than upload again and submit to curator..but the re-upload switch is it able to direct for the curator?

 

Felix,

I think the issue may be the same name, but I want to be absolutely sure so I will ask a Curator for you and I will come back to you ..as soon as I have an answer.

Please be patient it might take a day or two.

Thanks,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Hi Felix,

 

As promised I am back.

This information comes directly from the Curators.

 

If you follow these steps your problem should be solved. If for any reason it is not, please write me an OE mail and we can find a solution.

 

l. If a curator asks you to make a change to a photo, always wait 24 hours before re-uploading the photo with changes. This can sometimes happen if they like a photo but it has simple problems..like a border let us say.

 

2. If you are reuploading the same photo for consideration - delete the first photo from the system, meaning from your portfolio. If you want to be extra certain wait the 24 hours, and re-submit. However, this is probably not necessary.

Just make sure to reupload with changes. In the information area be speciic as you saw Leonie do in her post and as I recommened in a previous post.

 

Now if this does not work, please send me an OE mail and we can solve the problem and then if necessary I will post the solution.

 

Rather than discuss why it worked for Leonie and is not working for you, lets just try this and see what results you get.

 

I hope it works.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator.

Thank you all for your replies, it makes more sense now.

 

Regards,

Maciej

 

Your most welcome Maciej, and I wish you good light. :)

 

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

I've read all of the unread posts since my last visit and I have the following questions:

 

I submitted a non-published photograph to the Critique section to determine what improvements I could make. Additionally, after submitting it I saw some improvements that could best be made by starting with a different version of the same shot. The comments I received were mixed...one liked the photograph as is, and the other did not like aspects of the photograph; they preferred an earlier photograph of the same subject that was published.

 

I made those improvements...using a different version of the same shot...uploaded it and submitted it for curation without indicating that it was a corrected version of a previously submitted photograph. It was not published.

 

1) Should I have indicated in the description that the second photograph I submitted was an improvement of the first?

 

1a) If the answer is yes...should/could I re-upload, re-submit and include said indication in the description?

 

2) If the critique comments focus on the choices made for the photograph instead of the photograph taken, how should/can they be used to improve the photograph? I appreciate all critique, but at the same time I do not want to repeat a certain look **just** because it is well liked...especially if I'm working with the same subject and also given this comment...made by Phyllis:

 

 

 

I very much appreciate the level of quality required by 1x...I have seen a definite improvement in my work as a result. However, while watching the front page and those published there, I see that a number of photographs with the same subject...though different composition...are published. Does this reflect a change in the general "similar photographs are often not published" rule? Or is it necessary to wait a certain amount of time before submitting a photograph of the same subject with a different composition.

 

Apologies for the lengthy post. Thanks in advance for finding the answers to the above questions.

 

Cyd

Hello Cyd,

You can a.ways indicate that your photo is an improved version of a previous one. You also can re-upload in your photo directory. The curator team will always very thoughtful evaluate your photograhs like any other picture too.

 

As for critique which is indeed a very useful tool to receive feedback it is up to you what or how you make out of your picture. But you need to understand that all the given critiques are very subjective and that each single critique is a unique one. A single critique does not reflect a common meaning or understanding and also does not reflect curators decision. It is solely up to you self what you take out from it. You can always approach our senior critiques in case you need a more in depth critique.

 

As for the last part of your post i suggest to see it that way:

 

On every other photo site you will see the same or similar. Its the nature of human being that certain picture styles or subjects more liked as other ones. But especially in such case the requirements in terms of quality are much higher as for others and more hard to get through since more people focusing on such subjects or styles. There is no change in any rule. 1x is like an art exhibition in which the owner of the same decides what will be exhibit and what not. Its never a determination of good or bad.

 

I hope it helps and in case you need further explanation please contact me via mail.

 

Have a nice day!

 

Robert, Head Moderator

 

Agree Robert, but problems begin when this "owner" justifies his choices with outdated arguments. And if you start to rely on those justifications (variety and originality), the selection displayed on the front page quickly becomes incoherent in your eyes.

 

If I were responsible for the selections of the picture of the front page, I would not give any explanation about the reasons for the rejection of photos, and I would explain that the choices are just those of renowned professionals, and that you have to trust without doubting them. It may please or not, but it's like that and it will not change.

 

The curation system is a judgment as in every photo contest, and as such, it does not give you any indication on what to change or improve in your photo. The picture you present there is your final choice, and this principle brings enough pressure on you trying to do your very best.

 

The critical section gives you different views of members of varied tastes and skills, but the final choice is obviously yours. In my eyes, you shouldn't try to find only logic. Don't forget that photography is not only technic, but also subjective art ...

 

 

Hi Jean-Luc,

I would like to ask that you please read the opening post to this thread.

 

We have asked that this one particular thread be limited to information only questions and responses.

 

The reason for this is a simple one. We have so many new people joining up every day, who are truly in need of information on how to negotiate the system so that they can join in.

 

There is a great deal of information in this thread to help them, and of course to help older members also. It was also separated out as it is because we had so many other threads running at the same time, all asking similar questions. So much information was being repeated over and over. So much information was lost.

 

I do not see a question about the process in your post that has not already been answered and discussed more than once. Have a look over the thread if it will help you.

 

I can see from you post that you have ideas, opinions and thoughts on the process. All of these things are fine and reasonable - just not in this particular thread.

 

I hope you will understand and perhaps if you still want to discuss this you can contact me or find a thread which is not one only for informational purposes.

 

Recently a few posts have been made that I did not get to in time so please do not feel I have singled you out..I just missed those..

 

I thank you for your understanding and your patience.

Also if you do have questions not answered in this thread about the process of Member Curation please do come back and ask.

 

Good light to you,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Hi Phyllis,

 

I just attempted to supplement Robert answer, not to ask something.

 

In my eyes I wasn't out of subject and my address could enable Cyd to save some time in understanding of 1x running (that I lost at the begining).

 

But I just understood that only moderators were allowed to answer in this thread, so I appologize.

 

All the best

 

Jean-Luc

Hello Phyllis,

I wasn't sure if you were referring to me when you asked 'not to feel singled out' regarding replies to questions, but just in case: I do not feel that way.

 

Should I "re-ask" my questions, or do you already have them?

Same feeling Cyd, I wasn't sure that Phyllis was talking to me ;-)

Hi Jean-Luc and Hi Cyd,

Good to meet you both.

 

Thanks for taking the time to respond and to help me out with keeping this thread informational.

Jean - Luc you are not off subject, and your thoughts are appreciated. My main concern is simple. It is an important topic for sure and I want people like yourself to have this one place where they know they can find clear and concrete answers. 1x is a site where we value the ideas, suggestions of others...so this is not an issue. When members ask questions or want to discuss something in other threads your help and ideas would be great. No need to apologize. :) Thanks so much.

 

I willingly join in this discussion, and it is the first time I participate in the forum here, my English is not the best;-)

but just to see certainly not to polemics, I have so many photos which exceed 70% of popularity, but are discarded all the time, maybe because considered too "normal" as a photo?

just to see and nothing else

 

Hi Vito,

Thanks for you post.

If I understand you correctly you would like information about the popularity ratings and how they are used to choose photos.

 

Within this thread there are many answers to your question. The only thing you have to do is to read the thread. It will be worth it. I promise. You will learn about many things in the Curation process as well as popularity ratings.

You English seems fine to me, but should you need any help just send me an OE mail and I will make sure you receive translation help.

 

You are a perfect example of why this thread has remained informational and not for discussion. You have legitimate questions which require an answer. And you will find the answers here in this thread. If not - you can write me..

 

I hope this helps...

I want to be sure all members understand how the system works and sometimes it is a bit complex..so questions on topic are fine and that is what this thread is for.

 

Good light to you,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Hi Cyd,

 

Thanks for asking. :)

 

No my post is for Jean-Luc , and your questions were fine and answered by Robert

 

No, I was not referring to you at all in my post.

 

I can see your questions, I believe Robert has answered them. This is a common question people are curious about - the re-uploading process. It is also an important one.

 

I have been in contact with the Head Curator and I will come back within the next two days to offer to you the information he has provided.

 

Just be patient a bit longer while I write it out and go over it with the other Moderators first.

 

I thank you very much and appreciate your participation.

When people ask good questions it helps everyone to read the answers.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Hi Phyllis

 

I read everything written and an idea of what or how it can be published a little more clearly to me, the thing that leaves me a bit "perplexed" only if it is in a photo you look more thing says what might or more pleasure to the eye of those who must evaluate, but then again, it's just to figure out what to propose in the future, certainly not to say that the photos publicate are less or more beautiful than mine, everyone has his own way of interpreting the scene, and rightly so, otherwise we would all Surrogates, thanks again and good light to you

 

Thank you Vito. I am sure it was a lot to read but if it helps that makes me happy.

 

It is good we are not all the same - what boring place this planet would be. Thanks for your thoughts and your understanding.

Phyliis

Forum Moderator

A follow up question:

So then, should I re-upload the photograph that I just submitted to curation a week ago (it was not published) and indicate that it is an improvement of one that was also not published?

 

 

And another follow up question:

Are you saying that there's a senior critique section separate from the general critique section? If so, how would I submit to this section?

 

 

I think it does...I"m not quite sure what you're saying. I'll send you mail once I figure out how to do so.

 

Thanks for your help!

 

Hello Cyd,

 

Thank you for the reply. Please let me clarify. In case you have major improvements made on your picture feel free to re-upload it and send it to curation. In the directory you can mention the improvements made but mentioning that the previous version was not published you no need as the curator team will see it. You also can just make a new upload and send again to curation. Both is possible.

 

No, i am not saying there is a senior critique section. We do have senior critics by mean highly skilled volunteers who are providing professional feedback in our critique section. You are free to contact one of them in case you need particular feedback.

 

http://1x.com/crew

 

Thank you and i wish you a nice weekend!

 

Robert

This post outlines the process for re-uploading photos which some of you have asked about. There are some small changes in the process which may contradict with previous posts so please read carefully. This information comes from the Head Curator.

 

HOW TO RE-UPLOAD A PHOTO FOR RECONSIDERATION WHICH WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED.

 

1. Begin by making significant changes to the photo before you re-upload it.

 

2. Leave the original photo - which was not published in your portfolio. It must be present for a comparison when a Curator receives the re-make.

 

3. Use the same title for the photo you are re-uploading, but add the word 'remake' after the title.

 

4. Then go to the cog wheel on your profile page and click on it. Choose -

re-upload this photo. Then describe the significant changes you have made to the photo. and submit it.

 

It is important to follow all of these steps if you want a photo to be reconsidered. The Curator looking at your re-make must be able to see what the original submission looked like, the changes you have made, and then compare them to make a 'considered evaluation'.

 

If you delete an unpublished photo from your portfolio, and then re-upload it, even if you were to offer what changes were made - this leaves less information for a Curator to have a 'second' look. Therefore, this is not necessarily going to be an advantage to you, as they have nothing to compare it to.

 

5. Since there have been some issues noted with re-uploads not going through the system, suggestion has been made to wait 24 hours before re-uploading, and remember to always include the word 'remake' after your title.

 

6. Keep in mind that publishing a photo which was previously not published is rare, but it does have a better chance if significant improvements have been made and this entire procedure noted above is followed.

 

7. if you have followed all these steps and you are unable to re-upload a photo please contact a Moderator or Curator.

 

Thank you,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Well, if you re-upload the photo over the old version wouldn't it replace the old version and then how the two version would be kept in your portfolio?

 

 

Hi Ivan,

I am not sure I understand your question.

 

It would be helpful for me to know if the procedure as I wrote it out is clear, and that they you understand what to do if you want to re-upload a previously unpublished photo?

 

I say this because I think if you do it that way, the Curators will deal with the issue of two photos. However, I would be interested if you try it out exactly as written, what the outcome was for you.

 

Thanks,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Hi, Phyllis

 

I don't think I fully understand the procedure. First of all, if you use the cog wheel and select the re-upload option you can only select a new file for upload. So, when and how exactly we should change the name of the photo and describe the changes? Should we make this after we selected the new file and the photo has been changed with the new version. If that's right then how the curators will compare the two photos having in mind that the new version will replace the old one? In addition, if we have sent a photo for curration and it was not published and then we re-upload a new version of the photo by using the cog wheel will the option "Submit to curators" reappear (I haven't tried this, so I don't know what should happen).

 

Finally, I want to ask is there a problem if we just upload the new version of the photo as a new separate photo in our portfolio and submit it to curation with adding information that we had made some changes and so on? We might want to have two different version of one photo that we both like and just submit the second version, too.

 

Thank you in advance!

Hi Ivan,

Thanks for your questions.

THIS IS A REVISION TO MY PREVIOUS POST TO IVAN. THESE ARE THE FINAL INSTRUCTIONS...THEY ARE ALSO POSTED BELOW. IN FEB. 2015.

For All Members

 

HOW TO UPLOAD A PHOTO FOR RECONSIDERATION THAT WAS NOT PUBLISHED ON YOUR FIRST SUBMISSION. ( Finalized on Feb. 18, 2015)

 

1. Begin by making significant changes to the photo before you re-submit it.

 

2. Leave the original photo, which was not published in your portfolio. It must be present to enable the Curator to make a comparison between the Original and the Remake.

 

3. Upload the new version into your portfolio.

 

4. When the next screen comes up fill in the title. Use the same title as you did for the original photo, but this time - at the end of the title - add the word REMAKE in caps.

 

5. The box below it labeled Photo Description

Indicate all the changes that have been made to the photo.

Please be specific, and list each change.

 

6. Set the category, click to set the nude filter, indicate if it is for sale and then click on save.

 

7. Go to your gallery and open the photo.

 

8. Then go to the Cogwheel and from the drop down menu choose ‘submit to Curators’

 

9. Your resubmission will now go through the member curation process, and at the end be sent to the Curators. Due to the fact that you have indicated it is a remake, they will go to your portfolio, and check for the original photo in order to evaluate the changes you have made.

 

10. If your photo is not published on this second submission you will have two in your portfolio and you can delete one or both if you wish.

 

11. If it is published you will see the new one on the Front page, and in your portfolio. The new one will have all the comments on it and ratings. If the old one is still there you can of course delete it.

 

12. EXCEPTION: There is one exception to this process. If a Curator contacts you and requests that you remove a border, or copyright or any thing else, then follow their instructions and make the requested changes.

 

When you upload it again go to ‘re-upload’ rather than ‘submit to curators’. This will replace the photo, which is different from a resubmission where the original photo has remained.

 

Other Things to Consider

 

1. It is not to your advantage to remove the original photo if you have made significant changes to your original. You will have lost the opportunity for a comparison by a Curator, and your extra work will not be seen as such.

 

2. To have a photo published which was previously rejected is rare. I would like to emphasize this, and It is recommended that you be selective in your resubmissions. Please do not re-submit photos more than once.

 

3. If you would like to have some additional opinions about your photo you can send it to the Critique section. The purpose of the Critique section is not to 'fix' a photo so that it can be published. Rather it is to be used if you would like to receive other views and possibly improve your skills.

 

4. I would like to end with a tip that was given to me by a very skilled photographer here at 1x. The first time you are uploading for consideration do not click submit to curators. After uploading it to your gallery leave it there for a day or a least enough hours so that you can see how it looks with fresh eyes. Double check at different times of the day as different light conditions maybe reveal some areas that need correction.

 

Thanks for your patience in waiting for this response.

 

All my best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderaor

 

Hi Phyllis

now is very detail rather than you personal explain to me, i understood now, so in the end we need to push the button on cog wheel to curate again after we done the re-upload into the new upload, it is not just re-upload button on cog wheel, because it is quite confused if we go the the re-upload button, the button can't explain or describe the changes

 

thank you

 

Hi Felix,

I am going to make a test using the steps I gave to you.

Then I will come back here to tell you the results.

 

It may take a while to go through the process so please be patient.

Thanks,

Phyllis

For Everyone,

I am still working on the re-uploading solution. I tried a test and I am experiencing some problems. Until you hear back from me I suggest you continue to do whatever it was that you were doing. :)

 

I am again in contact with the Curators and hopefully we will solve the problem soon...

Thanks for your patience.

 

Cheers

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Some follow up here:

There are some issues being worked out around the re-uploading process, so I wanted to let you know that - and mostly that I have not forgotten you.

 

Next, I wanted to say that I have received some questions about minimum voting and that the numbers are fluctuating and are lower than usual. I have asked about this and I am waiting for some news...so if this has happened to you please come back here to read the answer when I receive it.

 

Thanks for your patience..

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Hello,

For those who did not have a previous process for re-uploading an improved photo, what do you recommend?]

 

Regards,

Cyd

 

Hi Cyd,

 

I am sorry I was not able to get back to you sooner than this. However, I have been very busy with some other Moderator tasks.

 

I have received all the information I need from the Head Curator. Before I put the instructions here I want to try them. I intend to do that tomorrow. I want to be sure that it works with one of my own photos first before I write out the details as the last time I had some difficulties.

 

It is better to wait for a Moderator to answer this question in this thread.

So I ask for your patience again. I have to send it through the system, and when it comes back if all is well, I can then feel confident sharing the information with you.

 

For the time being - as it will take a few more days...I suggest this. Leave the original not published photo there, and when you upload the remake after the title use the word remake. There is a bit more detail but basically that should get you to the right place.

 

Thanks again for your patience.

 

Phyllis

Moderator

 

Hello Phyllis,

Thanks for the instructions, I'll make note of them when uploading an improved photograph.

 

I have another question...which I've thought about for a while...about curation and publication.

 

Would it be safe to assume that a photograph that was submitted for curation then rejected (i.e. not published) is not necessarily a bad photograph...just one that was not chosen for publication? That there are excellently rendered, technically correct photographs that are submitted but not chosen for publication?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Cyd

Hi Cyd,

First an update on reuploading.

I have sent my photo in to see how the reuploading process goes...and when it is done..(it is now in Curation)..I will come back here with more directions. Probably on Monday.

 

 

Hi Cyd,

Thanks for your question.

 

Your question is an understandable one, and a good one. The issue here that I see is that it is not in the correct thread.

 

The question you have asked is one which has been asked and answered many time by the Founders,and sometimes by Curators. You will also see an answer (if my memory serves me right in the FAQ).

 

When the new Curation process for members began, we realized it was quite complex. Many members were asking questions about how to use the process, and what it meant to them. This thread was created to talk about instructions, and 'how to's so that everyone could benefit from Member Curation if they decided to use it.

 

As time passed members also had 'how to' questions about other things such as the re-uploading issues. Those types of questions have also been answered in this thread.

 

Have a look in the off-topic or support thread and I believe you will finding additional info from the Founders on the question you have asked.

 

If you have any other questions about how to use the process then feel free to come back again whenever you have one and ask it here.

 

Thanks for your interest.

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Maybe this is not the right place, so sorry in advance for this.

I think it is the time to write some few guidelines on how coment should be written, and what should be seen and considered.

Sorry, but it's getting so funny posting a photo in curation and receive suggestion about colors or contrast that doesn't reflect the reality of the scene, I'm talking about nature photographi, last but not the list, the last coment I received was to straighten out the side of a hill because the horizon is pending right, I just say funny!!! I would have the zebras in the scene like the Pisa tower.

Of course curators have the last word on photos, but, let me say stating this fact, receiving low votes, it gets difficult understund the process...

On the other hand funny again to see a my photo just rejected and used recently for a commercial advertising! :-)

Keep going ;-)

Hi Massimo,

Hope you are well.

 

Your question about the comments I think does belong in this thread, and I would like to see if we can resolve that.

 

If I have understood you correctly you are receiving comments from members during the curation process that seem not to have anything to do with your photo. In other words it is like they are looking at a different photo from yours ?

 

Is that part correct?

If that is the case, then I have to say this has come up from time to time, but so far it has been very infrequent. It is as though the system does not change the photo to match the comment. It is rare but it has happened.

 

If this is the case - let me know and I will report it.

 

Or - is it that you do not agree with the comments being offered but the commenter is looking at the right photo? :)

 

Sometimes it is very clear. The commenter is describing how facial characteristics can be altered but it is a photo of a flower. :) Other times not as clear - so what do you think happened with your photos?

 

The rest of your post are statements which are not addressed in this particular thread.

 

I will wait for you answers on the other questions from me,

My best,

Phyllis

Moderator

 

 

Heello Phyllis,

I'm doing good, photo is correct and the comments on the photo are on the photo as well.

An example was about the orizont pending to be straightened, but it was the hillside... :-)

Other examples are about contrast to be increased changing totaly the reality of the photo, I'm talking about nature photo.

I'm wondering how curator process influence the curators with such low level coments and of course votes.

Maybe people thinks that a cheeta is orange with yellow eyes, so I'm wrong giving the right view of reality.

So my question is, could be helpfull writing a short wademecum on how write a comment, considering light, composition, and the ambientation.

Last but not the least, often photo description is not read.

cheers

Max

Hi Max,

I am glad to hear that the issue was not with mismatched photos to comments.

 

There is a short text that is easy to understand and quite readable to help guide people to write a Critique. After we finish the re-uploading issue I will modify this document and paste it into this thread. It does not break things down into this and that or serve as a list..rather it gets people to think a bit more about what they are writing and the tone they are using. Since it was written for the Critique I will need to modify it a bit.

 

I still do believe - personally - that the best feedback often comes from the Critique Section. There is a give and take not so easily possible in the Curation comments. Also we have senior critics there to help out.

 

We could include a statement that the photo description should be read, but there is no way to enforce this. Also some people prefer to judge a picture without words, or titles even.

 

As for the Curators - it has been said before and I can repeat it - that the Curators are very talented people and are capable of making decisions. When the have some sort of doubt they confer with each other. I think it is rare but they will also look at the comments when there is uncertainty. It is not common so I would not worry about that part at all.

 

All my best,

Phyllis

Hi Phyllis,

thanks for your reply, happy to know a guideline will be given.

I understand and I don't want to have a special special treatment for nature photo, but, at least I would avoid to read coments like the orizont is pending when is the side of an hill ;-)

I would have an emoticons now to show my face ! Yep! :-)

Ciao

Max

Hi Phyllis,

 

I look forward to the document on how to write a Critique. I have been trying to provide good feedback but not been getting good reviews on it. I hope the document can help to provide a baseline expectation on what to write and a way to check myself that I am doing it correctly.

 

I have critiqued based on the composition elements like line, texture, shape and colors,, negative space and depth. But getting tough love on it.

 

Luke

Hi Luke,

After thinking about this, I believe it would be better to start a new thread and copy/paste the information there, as if put in this thread it will be buried never to be found again. It it is on its own, under Off Topic at least it can be searched for more easily.

I will do this soon.

Also, this information was available in the form of a link directly inside the Critique section in the past. I will ask if it is possible to have this done again. That is the best possible place for it as members can have easy access to it as they go to write a critique.

Thanks much for your interest.

Phyllis

Moderator

Hi Phyllis,

 

That a great idea to have the document in a link in the Critique section. Not only will it helps and orientate newcomers to Critiquing , it can serve as reference point for us to double check we are doing it the right way.

 

Look forward to it! :)

 

Luke

For All Members

 

HOW TO UPLOAD A PHOTO FOR RECONSIDERATION THAT WAS NOT PUBLISHED ON YOUR FIRST SUBMISSION. ( Finalized on Feb. 18, 2015)

 

1. Begin by making significant changes to the photo before you re-submit it.

 

2. Leave the original photo, which was not published in your portfolio. It must be present to enable the Curator to make a comparison between the Original and the Remake.

 

3. Upload the new version into your portfolio.

 

4. When the next screen comes up fill in the title. Use the same title as you did for the original photo, but this time - at the end of the title - add the word REMAKE in caps.

 

5. The box below it labeled Photo Description

Indicate all the changes that have been made to the photo.

Please be specific, and list each change.

 

6. Set the category, click to set the nude filter, indicate if it is for sale and then click on save.

 

7. Go to your gallery and open the photo.

 

8. Then go to the Cogwheel and from the drop down menu choose ‘submit to Curators’

 

9. Your resubmission will now go through the member curation process, and at the end be sent to the Curators. Due to the fact that you have indicated it is a remake, they will go to your portfolio, and check for the original photo in order to evaluate the changes you have made.

 

10. If your photo is not published on this second submission you will have two in your portfolio and you can delete one or both if you wish.

 

11. If it is published you will see the new one on the Front page, and in your portfolio. The new one will have all the comments on it and ratings. If the old one is still there you can of course delete it.

 

12. EXCEPTION: There is one exception to this process. If a Curator contacts you and requests that you remove a border, or copyright or any thing else, then follow their instructions and make the requested changes.

 

When you upload it again go to ‘re-upload’ rather than ‘submit to curators’. This will replace the photo, which is different from a resubmission where the original photo has remained.

 

Other Things to Consider

 

1. It is not to your advantage to remove the original photo if you have made significant changes to your original. You will have lost the opportunity for a comparison by a Curator, and your extra work will not be seen as such.

 

2. To have a photo published which was previously rejected is rare. I would like to emphasize this, and It is recommended that you be selective in your resubmissions. Please do not re-submit photos more than once.

 

3. If you would like to have some additional opinions about your photo you can send it to the Critique section. The purpose of the Critique section is not to 'fix' a photo so that it can be published. Rather it is to be used if you would like to receive other views and possibly improve your skills.

 

4. I would like to end with a tip that was given to me by a very skilled photographer here at 1x. The first time you are uploading for consideration do not click submit to curators. After uploading it to your gallery leave it there for a day or a least enough hours so that you can see how it looks with fresh eyes. Double check at different times of the day as different light conditions maybe reveal some areas that need correction.

 

Thanks for your patience in waiting for this response.

 

All my best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderaor

 

 

Hello Phyllis,

Just a quick comment...after reading the updated FAQ.

It is possible that many threads/questions similar to mine have been posted because the forums do not allow users to search by keyword for posts similar to what they want to ask. If I want to find posts similar to my last question to this thread, I have to scroll through every post in a forum and...if necessary...click on several in order to find them.

 

I will look through the OffTopic/Support forums for posts similar to the question I asked (as the FAQ did not answer my question) but I just wanted to make you aware of the issue.

 

Regards,

Cyd

Hi Cyd,

We did have at one time numbers on each post which made it easier to 'refer' to a previous post. Of course that is not the same as being able to search though a thread .

 

May I ask at this point with the latest information regarding re-uploads is everything written there clear? Would you be able to complete the process now knowing the steps? I tried it myself and it has worked so I feel confident that it should work for others. Lets. hope. ;)

 

Can you please send me an OE mail and just outline the question that was not answered yet for you? I tried to look back here but I am not certain I have found it.

 

I will wait for you mail.

Thanks much,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

 

Hello Phyllis,

Apologies that it has taken me so long to get back to you on this forum. I'll send you mail, but what is "OE" mail?

 

Regards,

Cyd

 

 

Ignore the above...I've found the "Message" button on your page.

Thanks again,

Cyd

Thanks Cyd,

I did receive your message and have answered it....:)

Phylis

I want to ask something for which I didn't find an answer in this topic. Can one photo with a status "Not published" can be directly published afterwards. I don't mean a second photo that is an improvement of the old to be published but the exactly same one with status "Not published" to become with status "Published"?

;)

For my my last picture published it was written one day before " not published".But after was published.That's a mystery.

So, about curation process it's not because a picture is not published that it's not a fantastic picture.

We can find some AMAZING unpublished pictures on 1X.But I think that they are so many pictures every day that it's not possible to published every great pictures.

And often it's a shame but it's like that.We can feel that it depends of the mood of curators.

Thank you for the answer, bertrand!

 

Hi Ivan,

Thanks for your question.

I want to be sure I understand what you are asking to be sure my response makes some sense.

 

If by 'directly published" that you did not resubmit it again and it just stayed in your portfolio here on lx and at some future time, a day, a week, a year later it was published...the answer is yes.

 

It can happen and it does happen occasionally. So, if you really like a photo that was not published suggestion was made when Ver3 released to leave it in your portfolio as there is a chance that a Curator might still publish it. Curators do have the ability to see the photos inside your portfolio.

 

Is this what you meant and does this answer your question?

 

Thanks, much appreciated.

 

Phyllis

Forum Moderator

Hi, Phyllis!

 

You completely answered my question! Thank you very much!

 

Regards!

 

Hi Bertrand,

It seems the very question Ivan asked about actually happened to you. Did I understand you correctly that it was a matter of hours that this happened? I mean not even one day passed. If so, it could have been a simple glitch,error - not sure.

 

But I am very glad to hear that it was published! :)

 

The short answer is that it can happen. The longer you are here at lx the easier it will be for you to understand that this is rare.

 

My best,

Phyllis

Forum Moderator