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Piet Flour PRO
11 years ago
correct curved lines who should be straight lines in architecture.
I know it is possible, but I can't find it back, or find the concerning tutorial.
 
Probably starting by selecting one of the tools ?
Any help welcomed.
I went to the adobe TV, but with my restricted vocabulary in English I can't ask the right question of search info.
 
A Almulla
11 years ago
Hi Piet.
 
I haven't used Photoshop in ages so can't help you there. If you don't find what you need then have a look at "DxO ViewPoint" which I have tried the trial version a few months ago. Its available as a standalone or a plugin for photoshop.
Pat Cooper
11 years ago
I use the adaptive wideangle tool a lot. This link wiil get the ball rolling and you can probably find it in your own language.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3kSL4xJu58
 
Cheers
 
Pat
chauncey
11 years ago
Piet...I'm assuming that the lens "distortion correction" tool in ACR doesn't accomplish your goals. That being the case>select your entire image>open the edit menu>drop down to the transform tools and use the one that you feel might do the best job. Warning...it's going to take some playing around to learn to use those things but once you get the hang of it, you will like them.
 
Good luck my friend and don't hesitate to call again!
Piet Flour PRO
11 years ago
I use the adaptive wideangle tool a lot. This link wiil get the ball rolling and you can probably find it in your own language.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3kSL4xJu58
 
Cheers
 
Pat
 
thanks a lot Pat,
indeed, it was that one I was searching for.
Unfortunately it doesn't work, because it need to find a lens type ... but It was a photo merge I am working on.
 
And the type of merge I used was the less bad result I could find.
In the other types I got straighter lines, but terrible deformations, The I used the merge mode with more balloon result ... but can't get the lines straight, not with this tool anyway.
 
Still very grateful with your help, it's a tool I will need certain in the future
Piet Flour PRO
11 years ago
Piet...I'm assuming that the lens "distortion correction" tool in ACR doesn't accomplish your goals. That being the case>select your entire image>open the edit menu>drop down to the transform tools and use the one that you feel might do the best job. Warning...it's going to take some playing around to learn to use those things but once you get the hang of it, you will like them.
 
Good luck my friend and don't hesitate to call again!
 
txs chauncey
 
with the wrap tool I can do a little extra correction, but not getting the lines straight.
But, the help was certainly appreciated
 
Probably I'll Have to shoot the building with different camera position to get a better start situation to make a merge i can use.
 
No serious problem, I live here, so i can go back and try as many times I want :-))
Pat Cooper
11 years ago
Piet.
 
The adaptive filter does not need a lens type. Just select Auto in the drop down box. However you can always select perspective and select the lens angle you used. With a photo merge (many shots?) you may have to experiment.
 
Press shift key and drag line vertical along edge you want to straighten. Do the same for horizontals.
 
This is a wonderful tool for architecture and indoor shots.
 
Cheers
 
Pat
 
Ben van der Sande PRO
11 years ago
Piet Have a look at Adobe tv "the russel Brown Show" Video 'A DETAILED LOOK AT ADAPTIVE WIDE ANGLE" That's what you need i think.
chauncey
11 years ago
Are you using a wide angle lens on the shot...if so there's your problem.
Piet Flour PRO
11 years ago
thanks all for so many respons ... i learn more in just 1 hour than I could discover on myself in a year self experimenting.
 
It's a photo merge from 4 horizontal photos with 24-70 at about 24 mm. Probably the main problem is the I took 3 shots for the base, and 1 shot for the upper part, instead of shooting 4 or 5 vertical shots side by side , which would create less distortion in the central area.
 
Still, by making this error i have now a lot of info to use in the next shooting and editing session.
 
What we call learning by trial and error. If I did it the right way I would have learned nothing ... thanks all great guys <3
 
piet
Jean De Spiegeleer
11 years ago
Hi Piet,
 
When I am photographing panoramas I either shoot horizontal (more distortions) or vertical. For a good merge, give a least 30% cover from one pic to the next. Actually the ideal "cut" where 2 successive pictures overlaps is around 25% from the edge. For a good panorama I often shoot vertically - this takes more pics but allows better cropping in the end result as the merging can create lost of distortion.
 
If you shoot in RAW, with photoshop CC you can use the lens correction tool, it should recognise your lens and remove the "barrel" distortion from the picture, in manual mode, the new tools give you auto corrections for: Vertical, Horizontal, Both, etc... select the one which suit best. Or use the manual settings. Once it is ok, save the file in PSD. Than I copy the *.xmp file that contains all settings selected and paste it changing its file name to the other pictures of the panorama. Open the other pictures and save them in PSD. This process will ensure that all settings used for the first file are identical in all files (geometry but also all other parameters on exposition, colours, etc..)
 
If you did not shoot in RAW, photoshop CC has a new tool under "filters" allowing RAW processing. Tool here are identical to above. The only problem with this is that you will need to remember settings used for each pictures and paste them for the others.
 
Once all pictures are "corrected" and saved, you can go to Merge and select the best confirmation. Some give a bigger curve than the other...
 
The Layers of the Merge picture can than be merged in a single layer and the Filter for RAW process used again for geometry correction especially for perspective. The overall curvature is more of a problem to correct. For that I usual would use the "wrap" tool - it is a bit tricky but eventually does the job is the deformation is not too big.
 
Hope this is helpful.
 
Jean
Piet Flour PRO
11 years ago
txs a lot Jean; appreciated feed back
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
Greetings Pete, i don't use or have PS CC, using CS6, but i have DxO ViewPoint
for straightening lines, that Plugin and standalone tool comes in handy.
 
Greetings,
marc
Piet Flour PRO
11 years ago
Greetings Pete, i don't use or have PS CC, using CS6, but i have DxO ViewPoint
for straightening lines, that Plugin and standalone tool comes in handy.
 
Greetings,
marc
 
I'll search for it Marc, always interesting to discover new tools;
txs
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
Greetings Pete, i don't use or have PS CC, using CS6, but i have DxO ViewPoint
for straightening lines, that Plugin and standalone tool comes in handy.
 
Greetings,
marc
 
I'll search for it Marc, always interesting to discover new tools;
txs
 
You're welcome, Piete.
 
http://www.dxo.com/intl/photography/dxo-viewpoint/wide-angle-lens-software
 
regards
marc
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
I can tell you Piete, that DXO Viewpoint can handle complex Lens distortions, which you can't fix with a simple Lens profile within photoshop, therefor i've bought it some time ago, it's really worth the asking price.
 
apart from that, the cheap PTLens Plugin from Thomas "Tom" Niemann is very
handy, i prefer that Plugin all the time over Adobe's Lens Profiles.
 
cheers
marc
Piet Flour PRO
11 years ago
I've downloaded it as trial ... unfortunately, like most cases, the 30 days trial are so short, and I have no architectural in the pipe, so I guess (not very smart from me) the trial will stop working when I need it :-)))
 
But , still happy to discover new tools and know someone using it.
Do you have the whole set, or alone the viewpoint plug in ??
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
Hi Piet,
 
the DL Package is the "whole she-bang", including the Stand-Alone Program
as well as the Photoshop Plugin. :-) Usually, a month is enough for testing it,
but i understand you, in terms of architecture pictures for being played with.
 
greetings
marc
A Almulla
11 years ago
I've downloaded it as trial ... unfortunately, like most cases, the 30 days trial are so short, and I have no architectural in the pipe, so I guess (not very smart from me) the trial will stop working when I need it :-)))
 
Take a few shots around your neighbourhood and city. Try and give them a wrong perspective and try the plugin just to experiment with it. I've used the standalone as mentioned above and works well.
Piet Flour PRO
11 years ago
thanks all for the interesting conversation and advice. I was wondering how much photographer used the DxO full packet, not only the viewpoint plug in or stand alone ???
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
Some helpful Viewpoint Youtube Videos:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZmI94uL4Kk
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4JyiG8V5yQ
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPlflQaSdGo
 
Viewpoint 2 features
 
http://www.dxo.com/intl/photography/dxo-viewpoint/features
 
i've payed <42 EUR for it, so it was a good deal for me here into
germany.
Piet Flour PRO
11 years ago
Some helpful Viewpoint Youtube Videos:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZmI94uL4Kk
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4JyiG8V5yQ
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPlflQaSdGo
 
Viewpoint 2 features
 
http://www.dxo.com/intl/photography/dxo-viewpoint/features
 
i've payed &lt;42 EUR for it, so it was a good deal for me here into
germany.
 
Some helpful Viewpoint Youtube Videos:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZmI94uL4Kk
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4JyiG8V5yQ
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPlflQaSdGo
 
Viewpoint 2 features
 
http://www.dxo.com/intl/photography/dxo-viewpoint/features
 
i've payed &lt;42 EUR for it, so it was a good deal for me here into
germany.
 
very generous Marc
and very interesting;
It looks indeed it has a special niche in the market of all kinds of plug inns, some great, some worthless ... but so difficult to evaluate without first buying them !
 
sincerely thanks
 
piet
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
greetings piet,
 
glad i could help you a bit. apart from that, i'm using as so many people the nik google collection, and a few others. but for lens correction, i've found PTLens and Viewpoint would do the trick.
 
kind regards
marc
 
Phyllis Clarke CREW 
11 years ago — Moderator
correct curved lines who should be straight lines in architecture.
I know it is possible, but I can't find it back, or find the concerning tutorial.
 
Probably starting by selecting one of the tools ?
Any help welcomed.
I went to the adobe TV, but with my restricted vocabulary in English I can't ask the right question of search info.
 
 
Hi Piet,
Sorry if I am repeating things which may have been already said.
 
There is a great page at the Adobe website which lists many of the new features and offers instructions on how to use them.
 
That you can find here:
 
https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/learn/tutorials/photoshop.html
 
And this one in particular is for fixing perspective...with buildings..
 
https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/learn/start/tutorials/photoshop-perspective-warp.html?product=photoshop&path=whats-new
 
The software that Marc refers too looks like it does many different kinds of jobs. I do not have the particular one he speaks of...I do have the Dx0 for Film Effects and it is quite good. It is not as versatile as Nik but it is good with creating old film looks.
 
The perspective tutorial above I think would fix something as simple as lines on a building. Marc's suggestion seems go go further...though not having it myself I cannot say. Is there any reason why the CC perspective tool is not working for you?
 
Good luck with this.
Phyllis
Piet Flour PRO
11 years ago
indeed phyllis,
in this case it doesn't work because it is made to work with lens profiles ... and the situation 4im referring to is a merge of different photos where CC doesn't recognize the lens.
The merge created the best result the the choice of merge creating the most circular distortion.
And the distortion is too big for CC to make anything good out of it.
 
But in this case, I feel the best thing to do is going back and re shoot with more images to get a better result.
 
I saw in the tutorials the results of DxO, And I think it is indeed a valuable addition to CC for those cases , certainly for people doing much more architectural work than I do.
 
thanks for your kind input
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
Greetings,
 
yes, with Viewpoint you can handle complex distortions which are otherwise way hard to fix, and especially not within a "simple" lens profile for a specific lens given by adobe, for instance. i use viewpoint from time to time to fix some wideangle shots, and/or architecture, which would be way complicated to do it "by hand" within PS or something else.
 
another great (and way) lens distortion (without the ability of dxo viewpoint) is Tom Nieman*s LTLens, which could be download as trial via his website here:
 
http://epaperpress.com/ptlens/
 
here are some examples given by PTLens:
 
http://epaperpress.com/ptlens/distortion.html
 
you'd see that it handles the usual lens distortions much better then PS itself, the
plugin is useable as standalone, or inside PS CS4/5/6 & CC, and even older PS versions, it got it*s own 32 and 64bit installers.
 
it works also inside the cheaper Adobe Photoshop Elements as a plugin, too.
 
i'm using that Plugin for ages, and being happy with it, too...and it costs only
$25 for a life-time license, so all further upgrades are free, once you buyed a license...you can't beat that, simply.
 
Besides windows, PTLens is also avialable as a MAC version. Tom answers usually fast support questions, for instance some weeks ago i asked him why my Sony Alpha A3000 body wasn't supported, and he updated PTLens way fast, so i just downloaded the Plugin again and my A3000 was from that on supported.
 
have a nice sunday, guys.
marc
 
Phyllis Clarke CREW 
11 years ago — Moderator
Just wondering...
I received a message today - on my screen "you have signed out of Adobe". I was surprised - as I had not. I tried to sign on again a few times but was unable to reset my password.
 
The website - parts of it seem to be working..but not all.
 
I cannot sign into my account. Is anyone else having this issue?
 
Thanks,
Phyllis
Jari J Heino
11 years ago
Yes, I seem to have the same proplem.
 
Windows did some updating yesterday. This may be the reason?
 
Regards
 
Jari
Chuck Uebele
11 years ago
Adobe has/had an issue with their logon servers, so people can not sign in. If you get signed out of your apps, you will not be able to use them. If you can use PS right not, be very careful not to open anything where you might have to sign in, such as typekit or other Adobe apps that you haven't used for some time, as it will ask you to sign in, and when you can't, it will lock you out of all your apps. Here is a status link for Adobe, but it really doesn't tell you much:
 
https://status.creativecloud.com/
Philip Armitage
11 years ago
I had a similar problem a few days ago, couldn't sign in. Went onto their "chat" and conversed with one of their people - he guided me through a process to get up and running again
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
Check out dpreview - it's onto their frontpage now. It seems that the "Creative Crap" Cloud is temporary offline.
 
Philip Armitage
11 years ago
Check out dpreview - it's onto their frontpage now. It seems that the "Creative Crap" Cloud is temporary offline.
 
 
Geez they not that bad. As long as you had downloaded the applications/programs you need, they operate fine without the need to log in.
Phyllis Clarke CREW 
11 years ago — Moderator
As far as I can see they are now back. I can sign in again. :)
Happy Days.
 
Thanks Chuck for that link.
 
Phyllis
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
Check out dpreview - it's onto their frontpage now. It seems that the "Creative Crap" Cloud is temporary offline.
 
 
Geez they not that bad. As long as you had downloaded the applications/programs you need, they operate fine without the need to log in.
 
I didn't meant that bad - just a bit scarcasm. ;-)
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
i meant sarcasm, omg. my typing today.