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Nikon Df - Not Attractive Enough
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Zan Zhang
11 years ago
People must have learned the Df specifications very well by now, although only few have had hands-on experience so far. For me, it is quite disappointing, comparing to what I would expect from this camera: something reliable, simple, and elegant.
It seems that Nikon simply wanted to re-package the existing technologies and parts, and it did not bother to improve any of them. The focusing system, for example, is designed for DX cemaras. It is rediculous for an FX like D600, but it is further passed to the new Df. This does not make sense to me. Yes, Nikon redesigned the 50mm prime lens to go with the Df. But the effort is superficial (cosmetic only), and Nikon, again, did not bother to add the aperture ring while that is one of the key retro features and part of the old beauty (one can control aperture and speed with two hands at the same time quickly while both hands can still hold the cemara firmly).
The Df looks simplified by removing something like movie and all the scene modes. But it is still very complicated comparing to the FE/FM's. The Df also added physical dials. However, the true new physical dial is that for ISO, because all the other major controls are physical in most current DSLR's (the difference is in style and layout). While I like the new (or rather, old) speed dial on the top right side of the Df, the engineering design for exposure compensation and ISO dials on the top left is not well made. I am not quite sure whether the operation of the Df will be easier. With the existing DSLR's, I can use one hand to control aperture, speed, and exposure compensation while holding the camera. I usually use the left hand to hold the lens to keep the cemara steady, but with the Df I may need to lift the left hand to change exposure compensation. In addition, I have to lock or unlock the dial (an extra step). The only gain is probably the dial for ISO (again we have to lift another hand to use it). That can be welcome but not that crucial as we change ISO relatively less often in a particular moment.
My overall feeling is that the camera maker focuses too much on marketing stratgies and forgot the true reasons to be retro. The job is therefore done in halfway. Meanwhile, the price was marked high (the D4 sensor may be used to justify this - but I would prefer the newer D6100 sensor). The Df imitates the old FE/FM's, which were closer to D610 level, and the Df is hardly more advanced than the D610 in practical terms (even with the D4 sensor). The price, however, is close to that of D800. It therefore may not be justified from buyers' point of view, nor optimized in marketing terms. I suspect that the Df is not selling as well as D800 and D610 following their annoucement.
Another question in my mind is about the materials used in the cemera. In the old days, cameras used to have casted metal chassis and sell for a few hundred dollars. Nowadays, to reduce cost and weight, even cameras with a $3000 price tag like the Df do not use metal except for the top and bottom. I believe modern plastic body is strong enough. But on the other hand, does the little amount of metal used in camera really cost that much? As for weight, megnesium alloy may not be that heavy anyway. For many people, including myself, metal is more appealing than plastic, even just for the feelings, and that is part of the style thing people are looking for, especially in a retro camera. Why do camera makers want to disappoint people by these little and easy things? They offer you a relatively expensive suit, but with cheap buttons.
I can be wrong and trivial, and I would like to hear other people's opinions.
Robert PRO
11 years ago
You have her already? I mean do you have the DF in your hand and tried it?
Zan Zhang
11 years ago
You have her already? I mean do you have the DF in your hand and tried it?
 
Robert: That is a good question. I have not had the chance to try. I am hesitating to buy based on the design ideas. I myself used FM2 long ago and loved it. But the Df is not what I expected based on the specifications. I feel something old is missing, like the aperture ring in the new lens, and something should be more advanced but did not happen, like the tight array of focus points. I am just wondering what other people think about the concept.
Deleted User
11 years ago
This camera is nothing but a marketing ploy. If you want one, buy one. But don't be disappointed, this is not intended to be a groundbreaking camera. And if you want a lens with an aperture ring, just buy one. There are wonderful lenses out there in plentiful supply that have them. All Ai and Ai-S of course and all AF-D have them. If I was of a mind to break into FX digital, I would not buy this camera. If I want to shoot with a "retro" camera, well...I do that just about every week. FE-2, F3-HP & F100 are all plenty retro for me, as is the film I put in them.
Zan Zhang
11 years ago
Clyde: Thanks for the comment, that makes sense.
Annette Flottwell
11 years ago
(If we only could by proper film.. well yes we can order it but nobody develops it :( )
 
To be able to use the aperture ring at all times I use a setting, it is f9 in the D800.
It helps :)
My biggest disappointment was not the design of most good Nikon cameras, it is the lenses.
 
My 200-400 has neither an aperture ring nor an infinty stop. focussing is very difficult because the ring is waay too far to the front, so you have to take either your left hand off the point of gravity to focus a zero feedback wobbly ring and then miss the shot because the bird is gone or do it with two finger tips in 67 little movement while leaving your hand where it should be. GRRR. This is a 5600 USD lens, what were they thinking?
 
Same goes most recent teles, even the 200mm micro Nikkor has the focussing ring too far to the front.
I am glad that I have still got my MF 600 5.6, it has the works, aperture ring, good focusing ring where it should be.
 
as for AF lenses, my prize for the best design goes to the OLD 80-200. Lovely big ring, aperture ring and push or pull all in one movement. Could't live without it.
 
This is where I want retro design, Nikon please make ergonomic lenses again.
 
David Crawley
11 years ago
I was very tempted to pre-order a Df, but the price killed it for me. I was looking for a smaller body that I could use along side my D800 and the Df looked to tick quite a few boxes, so I was ready to pre-order subject to the price being right. At the US price I may have taken the plunge, but the UK price is WAY over the top, so I went for an alternative. I'd thought about a D600/7100/600, but I ended up buying a Fujifilm X-Pro 1 instead and have not regretted my decision. It's small, lets me use all my legacy glass with cheap adapters and fits into my kit where I saw the Df fitting in.
 
I'm sure the spec of the Df will keep a lot of people very happy and I'm looking forward to playing around with one when the opportunity arises, but it wasn't for me at that price.
 
 
Zan Zhang
11 years ago
Please see this review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHNm54U1nQ4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUuw8B6Uv0cMWtV5vbNpeH_A
 
There are other reviews saying saying similar things. I like the above one because of the way it presents.
 
The Df was not intelligently designed in the first place, for me.
Marc Petzold
11 years ago
I find the all new Fujifilm X-T1 much more intelligently designed, in that term.
It does look way retro & way great for a DSLM "Camera Porn", too. :-)
 
If only the lenses wouldn't be that expensive....
 
Zan Zhang
11 years ago
I find the all new Fujifilm X-T1 much more intelligently designed, in that term.
 
 
I totally agree.
David Crawley
11 years ago
I find the all new Fujifilm X-T1 much more intelligently designed, in that term.
 
 
I totally agree.
 
The X-T1 looks like a great little camera. Fuji are doing some pretty good cash back deals on lenses at the moment, which certainly has me thinking about whether to buy some more Fuji glass. The X-series work really well with legacy glass using cheap adaptors available on eBay, so I have found that my X-Pro 1 integrates pretty well with my otherwise Nikon setup.