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My color pictures in 1X are darker than in my computer
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Bjorn Bjornson PRO
3 years ago

I started to wonder why so many excelent landscape pictures are to dark and missing the little extra to make them pop. Then I began to compare my pictures in my computer with the same pictures published in 1X. I might be wrong but my standpoint for the moment is that pictures in published in 1X do not keep its "fresh" colors to 100% and becomes slightely darkened when published. That makes already a little bit dark pictures from the start dull. It would be interesting to know from people publishing landsacape pictures if they are satisfied about there pictures apearance in 1X and perhaps prove me wrong!

Steven T CREW 
3 years ago — Senior critic

Hi Bjorn, 

 

When you're editing on your computer, do you use sRGB profile, or some other like Adobe RGB or ProPhoto RGB?   When files are uploaded, 1X re-sizes them and also converts the profile to sRGB which is the most common one used on the internet.  The same photo in two different profiles will appear differenty in tone and colour.  

 

You might try writing to Support.  They're busy, but sometimes answer.  There may be a simple explanation for what you're observing.

 

. . . . . Steven T.

 

Kimberly CREW 
3 years ago — Editorial team

I have the same problem with my next to last upload that got rejected. The colors are not true, much more "muted" than my original image. My image was much more vibrant than what got displayed on 1X, I process in ProPhoto., but when I saw the upload was flawed, I converted the file to to Adobe RGB and tried a re upload, and still got the same results. 

 

Streiff Marcel PRO
3 years ago

Hi all

 

I have another Problem with the Monitor. Any Picture i open in the Gallerys appears too large, that means i have to scroll up and down to see the whole Image.

Regardless if i use the Laptop or PC. Regardless if i use Safari or Google. I was asking at the "[email protected]" but the only answer i become was "we are very sorry that you dont like our new Layout " ?? What a Irony, it seems that they didnt even understand what iam talking about !

Is there anybody else with that problem or even have a soltution about, because this is very very disturbing

 

Regards Marcel

Steven T CREW 
3 years ago — Senior critic

To Marcel, and Kimberly,

 

Marcel,  

Yes, images on my monitor in some sections of 1X appear too large and have to be reduced in size to see them in full.  I use a 27 inch 4K monitor, Windows 10, and Mozilla Firefox browser.   By clicking Ctrl and the minus key I can make the screen small enough to see the whole picture.  The photos at the other website I visit from time to time - 100ASA - fill the frame nicely, so it must be possible.    

 

Kimberly,

Regarding colour profiles . . . I think that both Adobe RGB and ProPhoto RGB have larger colour spaces than sRGB, and the colours you see on your screen may be altered as 1X squeezes them into the smaller, sRGB space as part of the upload process.  I'm not an expert on this, but I think that's how it works. Converting to sRGB for photos to be displayed on the interenet is probably best.  Of course that's no guarantee the colours will match perfectly.

 

. . . . . Steven T.

 

 

Streiff Marcel PRO
3 years ago

Thank you very much Steven

Theo Luycx
3 years ago

Bjorn, Maarcel and Kimberly,

Steven gave already a good advice about the colours. But do you have a good calibrated monitor. I calibrate my monitor every month with the spyder tool of Datacolor. And your ambient light has to be a little bit the same after measuring. And I have not any colour problem. The problem with to large photos, I have that problem to. Theo SC

Edited: 3 years ago by Theo Luycx
Ralf Stelander CREW 
3 years ago — Founder

We recommend using sRGB to get the best results when displaying photos on 1x.

Good light, Ralf

Manfred Mueller
3 years ago

Colour is always a very interesting topic and it gets very highly technical.  Anyone who is a serious photographer should use a computer screen that at a minimum is 100% sRGB compliant.  Check your screen manual and see if it says 100% sRGB compliant; if it doesn't you can be quite sure that it is not and the colours that you see are unlikely to be accurate.  Screens that are 99% Adobe RGB or DCI-P3 are even better, but these tend to be quite expensive.

 

Most web browsers are colour managed and recognize the colour space and make the appropriate adjustments, but so far as I can tell 1x.com strips this data out of the JPEG images that are posted and if you use one of the wide-gamut colour spaces like Adobe RGB, DCI-P3 or ProPhoto RGB, please convert these to sRGB for posting, otherwise the colours will look very  muddy or muted.  Most of the photo editing software has functionalitiy to convert images to sRGB, so if you are working in a wider gamut workspace (which is what you should be doing when editiing), your last step shoud be to convert the file to sRGB before posting.

 

The other issue we see a lot  are images that are too light or too dark.  That generally means your computer screen  and your work area are probably not set up correctly.  Most computer screens that are straight out of the box are set up for a bright office environment and they are far too bright for photo work.  ISO standards suggest that the work area should be no brighter than 32 lux, but for normal viewing and post-processing, a number of sources recommend below 70 lux.  You will probably be surprised how dim this is

 

Screen output is generally recommended to be between 80 - 120 candela /  square metre and that can be set with a x-Rite / Calibrite i1 or DataColor Spyder calibration and profiling device.  You will also be surprised how dim this is.  The reason for the room / screen settings is to ensure appropriate contrast ratio in viewing your images.  To understand how this works, look at your cell phone in a dimly lit indoor room and note how high the contrast is.  If you then strep outdoors and look at it, the screen will look dull and muddy.  That is exactly the same thing that we get when our room and screen are not set correctly.

Kimberly CREW 
3 years ago — Editorial team
Theo Luycx CREW 

Bjorn, Maarcel and Kimberly,

Steven gave already a good advice about the colours. But do you have a good calibrated monitor. I calibrate my monitor every month with the spyder tool of Datacolor. And your ambient light has to be a little bit the same after measuring. And I have not any colour problem. The problem with to large photos, I have that problem to. Theo SC

Thanks Theo, I only experienced this problem wth one particularly colorful image. The 1x uploaded version were exactly as described "muddy and the colors muted". The image on my Mac was vibrant and true. I have however since Stephen's advice made sure I output one version of my 1x images in sRGB. I don't have a calibration monitor, and I am aware the affect ambient light can have when processing,  often I turn my screen brightness up for work purposes, and then back down when I am processing images, especially if I am sending off for professional printing. not very scientific but it works (mostly) for my purposes for the moment. Cheers!

Edited: 3 years ago by Kimberly
Walter Caielli PRO
3 years ago

I think that your problem is here related to color space and not monitor calibration, since you are comparing same image on same monitor (but one from 1x).

On web, at the moment, better stick to sRGB.

Vast majority of monitor have 8 bit colour depth and, worst, struggle to cover the sRGB space. The other colour spaces are bigger!

To have a calibrated monitor is however important.

Invest some money in purchasing a calibrator and do calibration once a while.

It will help to keep consistent your work.