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Trees die standing
#TREES#SEX#LIFE#DEATH#CREATIVITY#POETIC#NATURE
Jorge Ribeiro Lume PRO
2 years ago

Trees die standing is the title of a Portuguese play that emphasizes the importance of life and the struggle for the best values in the face of all the obstacles created by society and politics. This image was a find that I recreated taken from a whole and that I valued to the point of bringing it to the forum.

It interacts with the sentiment ...

The camera is a Fuji X-100F, 23 mm 2.0, ISO 200, f/4, 1/125s. 0ev



Daniel Springgay CREW 
2 years ago — Senior critic

Hi Jorge welcome back -  89 Published images 13 Awarded I hope you don't mind me saying this image is not going to add to your wonderful portfolio totals. In my view it just another image of a tree nothing special no great backdrop of wonderful colours. Composition what composition ? - Hard words are sometimes needed to try and get you to see the wood and not the trees. This is my honest opinion I hope it helps. Jorge you are better than this.... I went back to your portfolio just to remind me of how good you can be.

Steven T CREW 
2 years ago — Senior critic

Jorge, 

 

Trees are good subject matter when their shapes and relative postions can be related to the human condition.  These two look like a couple with their arms raised int the air as if in surrender. 

 

The photo has good light, and nice colour, but there are several technical issues.  The sharpness is weak, and there are fine white halos around the small branches.  Some branches seem to be floating in the air on the right side as if some detail was cloned out there and the branches remained.  Overall there's an 'over-processed' look.  The shadows are dark, without detail or texture. 

 

You may be able to disguise the techncial shortcomings by applying some filters, overlays, or painting effects, although that runs the risk of turning off viewers who don't like too much post-processing and may see it as trickery.  

 

The title, 'Trees Die Standing' will make viewers look for some meaning in the image even if they don't know that it's the name of a Portuguese play.   Much better than 'Two Trees', or 'Untitled'. 

 

I couldn't resist trying some filters.  Photoshop's 'Sky Replacement' is relatively new, and has quite a few options.  The rainbow gives the image an optimistic flavour - I'm not sure if that fits your theme.

 

. . . . Steven, senior critic

 

 

 

Jorge Ribeiro Lume PRO
2 years ago

Caro Daniel Springgay:  Hi! A very useful shock therapy to wake up this octogenarian from the lethargy dictated by everyday life...but, make no mistake, the unselected photos are double or triple those you mention! I remain an amateur and have now been fortunate enough to have your teachings, but over time I have learned for myself. Be patient. You were the one who pulled me into the forum... Now I still try to post, now only what I consider more "personal" and "affective", those photos that I would like to keep on file. Thank you.

Theo Luycx
2 years ago

Udo,

I removed your input. Jorge gave a serious answer to Daniel. And than is it better in Critique not to work in this way. Theo-senior critic.

Edited: 2 years ago by Theo Luycx
Cicek Kiral CREW 
2 years ago — Senior critic

Hello, Jorge

Welcome to our forum. Trees are priceless assets of nature. We can be veryungrateful towards trees sometimes. When I read the saying in Portuguese about trees dying standing and yours stating that your image is reflecting this meaning, I expected to see a more dramatic image. This was my interpretation of course. Your image, does not look so dramatic about the trees as I thought. This might be due to the warm color. The trees do not look dying. Maybe that was not your intention after all. However, if it was, I would suggest the following. First I would convert the image to black and white. This would increase the drama. Then, even more urging, I would lighten the shadows on the tree trunks. They are too dark in the image you posted the contrast in the image would be enough to increase, I suppose. I hope I could be of help. I wish you good light. Cicek Kiral SC...

Joseph Opal PRO
2 years ago

Trees are beautiful and can be photographed in a way to show there beauty. Alot of factors come into play; the lighting, weather condition, time, and composition all play into a good tree shot. 

Jorge Ribeiro Lume PRO
2 years ago


I'm thinking that I have an obligation to improve the photo as a photo and give it a clearer title. Let's see if I can with this new work. 

The title would be: "we just are family".

Theo Luycx
2 years ago

Jorge,

We had a discussion in the background that I discovered the lady form in your composion not directly but after the editing of Steven. And I thought he was good enough for curation with another title with more  the view on the lady-form. You said the color version to use for your album. I thought you wanted to try the B&W version in curation. But the B&W version you present here has much bad black on the right in my personal vision for what it is. I did a few actions for another one. Therefore I used Stevens version because your first version was too small. I hope Steven can accept this. First I did in the color version select sky and deleted this for an equal light blue color. After this I made a vertical rectangle selection from the middle between the tree to the right outside And gave SCALE with the pushed button on the keyboard in this way he went alone horizontal. In this way I gave more space to the trees. That is the first one and for the second one I copied your "lady-tree" because he has more detail and brought him in the first one. Below my suggestion. Theo-senior critic.

 

PS. For you no need to bring the lady-tree in because you have the original to make a more quiet composition  of course if you want this.

Edited: 2 years ago by Theo Luycx
Jorge Ribeiro Lume PRO
2 years ago

Caro Theo Luycx:  I really like your solution. You like the simplicity and the quietness achieved. My BW version was recreated using NIK col Silver Efex Pro and is very dramatic. 

I will not post it in the curation. It runs too far from the original intention: to test the communicational aspect of the image.

I appreciate your delicacy in this whole process. Obrigado!

Jorge

Mike Kreiten CREW 
2 years ago — Head senior critic

Dear Jorge,

 

Photography is our common passion here on 1x. Beauty is in the eye of a beholder. But showing our work to others implies there is something to show. If it needs words to explain a photo, in my view it already failed. In the visual world we live in a photo has a hard standing, video and animations dominate the graphical exposure we all face every day. It will be asked too much to spend time on a photo that not generally catches our attention. If there's something about a photo, we might spend a few seconds to figure out what we see. I think with your trees you set expectations too high. It's trees, bad lit ttrees, a very common subject. I once read there are three trillion trees on this planet, 400 times more than humans. There are beautiful trees, interesting ones, unusual ones, lonely trees, giant trees. Again, yours are nothing special. So the majority of viewers will just pass your photo, not trying to recognize something in it.

 

I would not put it up for curation, neither in color nor in black & white, there is little to no chance this will ever get published.

Like Danny said, you have better photos. Scanning your portfolio I noticed you put up three photos from the same room in a musuem obviously. Your choice, of course. But it tells me you can't decide which one is the best shot. And honestly, we all may struggle to judge our own work. That's also why this forum exists. Foreign eyes see photos differently. And it may be hard to hear what they see. But it's the only way to find out whether we succeeded in photography, if we don't shoot for ourselves only. Since 1x is a online gallery, it's a given that wasn't our intention.

 

Regards,

Mike

 

Joseph Opal PRO
2 years ago

Not much to work with here. I cropped top and bottom. My thought is to shownthe contrast; dark tree on the left amd brighter to the right.