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Hi everyone,
I am looking for some explanations concerning the non-selection of this picture I am pretty proud about. Upon your eyes, what did not work with this image? I am quite curious about your opinion. Ok, this picture has been taken quite a while ago, during summer 1988, with a Fujichrome silver film, before being digitalized with a Nikon Coolscan IV ED device. OK, the sharpness is maybe not cristal clear but, in my opinion, there are some other original aspects which makes the image quite far from some "deja vu" pictures about the same subject... When such an image has been liked by one of your crew members during its selection process, has got comments such as "Very creative documental images. Excellent processing and great light management. Compliments", I might be authorized to ask myself some questions... Don't you think so? Looking forward to reading your comments and advice. Olivier
Hello Olivier,
Welcome back to the forum, and thank you for sharing your beach photo with the rainbow with us. The fact that it was taken so long ago shouldn't be a reason for rejection. As for the positive curation comment and the like by one of our crew members, I have experienced both of those recently for photos that were not published. The head curators' opinions can overrule both of those issues. I do think your photo has potential, and I have work on it a little. I made the slightest crop on the right side to avoid elements that were partially shown. I also increased the definition and the colour. As always, it's up to you to accept or reject any suggestions made here.
Good light, Elizabeth
Hi Elizabeth!
Many thanks for your kind feedback and advice. For sure, I will try to propose this picture to curation once again in a few weeks. As you mentioned it, I strongly believe in its potential ;-)
Olivier,
What an unusual photo! My first thought was 'Biblical'. The ark has washed ashore and there are hundreds of people on shore and swimming to the ship. The rainbow is the finishing touch.
I may be reading it all wrong - that's just what I imagined. The title 'Rainbow over Clifton Beach' provides viewers with the location, but won't intrigue them into thinking they should look for a story or theme.
As for the Curation process - it's just as mysterious to us as to any member. We're not given any inside information. It seems to be common lately to get good scores from members and low scores from the so-called 'expert' curators.
I like Elizabeth's suggestion for saturating the rainbow colours. I'm not sure if you've already sharpened the image, but I don't think it will take any more. Scanning artifacts may begin to appear or become exaggerated with sharpening.
I've had some experience with film scanning, and I know the Nikon Coolscan units to be the best. I think the only better scans were from drum scanners, but they were in a different price bracket. Looking at this image on screen, I think you must have had a very good original transparency and you made a good scan. I can't vouch for the colour being accurate as compared to the original, but the sharpness, grain, and tonal range are all very good.
I couldn't think of any 'improvements' as I think it's a good photo as it is - but I did flip a screen shot left-to-right to see what it would look like. It' often interesting to see how a flip will change the balance and flow of a composition.
Thanks for sharing the photo with us here in Critique. We welcome comments from all members. If you see a photo here that gives you an idea, please join the discussion. We learn together by exchanging thoughts and opinions.
. . . . Steven, senior critic
Hello, @ Olivier Schram
Welcome to our forum. Thank you for uploading your image to the forum. I find it certainly interesting and different. I like the texture of the film which we still can not quite see the same way in digitalised images. It might be an image of the manuel times but I think you can use some of todays technologies to reinterpret it. I would suggest working on the color. I think the color in the sea could be reduced in saturation and converted in terms of hue. That is of course my suggestion an you might not want to apply it. I tried to do it in Camera raw using a linear gradient. I desaturated the color of the sea. I opened the shadows a bit and restored the blacks of the submarine. These differences in opinion surely are a by product of the subjective side of photography. Have good light. Cicek Kiral SC...
Olivier,
What an unusual photo! My first thought was 'Biblical'. The ark has washed ashore and there are hundreds of people on shore and swimming to the ship. The rainbow is the finishing touch.
I may be reading it all wrong - that's just what I imagined. The title 'Rainbow over Clifton Beach' provides viewers with the location, but won't intrigue them into thinking they should look for a story or theme.
As for the Curation process - it's just as mysterious to us as to any member. We're not given any inside information. It seems to be common lately to get good scores from members and low scores from the so-called 'expert' curators.
I like Elizabeth's suggestion for saturating the rainbow colours. I'm not sure if you've already sharpened the image, but I don't think it will take any more. Scanning artifacts may begin to appear or become exaggerated with sharpening.
I've had some experience with film scanning, and I know the Nikon Coolscan units to be the best. I think the only better scans were from drum scanners, but they were in a different price bracket. Looking at this image on screen, I think you must have had a very good original transparency and you made a good scan. I can't vouch for the colour being accurate as compared to the original, but the sharpness, grain, and tonal range are all very good.
I couldn't think of any 'improvements' as I think it's a good photo as it is - but I did flip a screen shot left-to-right to see what it would look like. It' often interesting to see how a flip will change the balance and flow of a composition.
Thanks for sharing the photo with us here in Critique. We welcome comments from all members. If you see a photo here that gives you an idea, please join the discussion. We learn together by exchanging thoughts and opinions.
. . . . Steven, senior critic
Many thanks Steven for your kind appreciation and suggestion of inverting the reading sense of my picture! As a matter of fact, I enjoy re-discovering silver film images I have taken a few decades ago and trying to obtain the best of them through a decent scanning process. Even though the task is sometimes hard and the result never fully guaranteed. Thanks again dear Steven ; it was a pleasure reading your comments. Olivier
Hello, @ Olivier Schram
Welcome to our forum. Thank you for uploading your image to the forum. I find it certainly interesting and different. I like the texture of the film which we still can not quite see the same way in digitalised images. It might be an image of the manuel times but I think you can use some of todays technologies to reinterpret it. I would suggest working on the color. I think the color in the sea could be reduced in saturation and converted in terms of hue. That is of course my suggestion an you might not want to apply it. I tried to do it in Camera raw using a linear gradient. I desaturated the color of the sea. I opened the shadows a bit and restored the blacks of the submarine. These differences in opinion surely are a by product of the subjective side of photography. Have good light. Cicek Kiral SC...
Wow! Thank you very much Cicek for this attempt of improving the impact and attractivity of my image. I must admit that the desaturation of the foreground of my image produces a very convincing result as well as the rising up of the contrast. For your information, this famous beach of Karachi has been specialized during quite a long time between the 80's and 90's in the business of salvaging old vessels in order to dismantle them and recover all their metals and materials. Thanks again and have a great weekend! Olivier
