Still life: How to give a painting like look? Any ideas?
Uzay 
Posted 2 years ago
I see some beautiful still life photos here which look like paintings(nature morte), does anyone know how to do or can anyone give me link to work on it?
I've searched internet but couldn't find any tips, I

Thanks in advance
 
Posted 2 years ago
One often see still life images that has different texture overlays on them. That sometimes creates an old, painting look. Google texture overlay techniques and I guess you will get some good hits. Not sure if it is this you are after though...
 
Uzay 
Posted 2 years ago
Actually there are a few examples in this site but i'm not sure if it's correct to put them to tell what i'm after.
 
Posted 2 years ago
Why not send a oemail to the photographer?? Most will make suggestions and offer help if asked.
 
Uzay 
Posted 2 years ago
Clyde Beamer wrote
Why not send a oemail to the photographer?? Most will make suggestions and offer help if asked.


Yes , i thought of sending message, i did that before but you cannot make people busy asking too much questions, i want to learn that technique from a source (if there is one) rather than asking people.


 
Posted 2 years ago
Antonio Diaz has some spectacular still life that looks like something between paintings, real life and photos...

http://1x.com/v2/#/member/24781/antonio-diaz/

Try asking him....I might do it myself....
 
Uzay 
Posted 2 years ago
Faddoush wrote
Antonio Diaz has some spectacular still life that looks like something between paintings, real life and photos...

http://1x.com/v2/#/member/24781/antonio-diaz/

Try asking him....I might do it myself....


Yeah, that's what i'm talking about, it seems consulting him is a good way.


 
Posted 2 years ago
I also would suggest to just ask him, but i would think it's a mixture of dodge and burn, boosting the tonal contrast and adding textures when I look at -
And you need the right light
 
Posted 2 years ago
Sven Fennema wrote
I also would suggest to just ask him, but i would think it's a mixture of dodge and burn, boosting the tonal contrast and adding textures when I look at -
And you need the right light

I agree, light and setting are very important I believe. It is hard to make a good still life, like painting if the photo is not well taken to begin with.

It is like HDRs, not all are suited for HDR, and best results are achieved when the right timing and light are captured.
 
Posted 2 years ago
I'm interested to this technique as well. If you'll ask private way, pls can you share with me?
Thomas, Sven I tried your suggestions, but the result was not at least similar to Antonio's pictures:-( I'm not experienced with SW's. Everything I can do is taken from my experiences from dark room (and with BW photo).
 
Posted 2 years ago
Jarda Polivka wrote
I'm interested to this technique as well. If you'll ask private way, pls can you share with me?
Thomas, Sven I tried your suggestions, but the result was not at least similar to Antonio's pictures:-( I'm not experienced with SW's. Everything I can do is taken from my experiences from dark room (and with BW photo).

I don't know if you tried longer or only short - But never underestimate the factor time in such things -
Take your time experimenting with textures, layer modes are important, dodge and burn techniques and I'm sure you will get satisfied.
Working in this way needs time, you have to develop a feeling working with textures to make them look good.
You always have to find YOUR way to such things - Never try to be just "similar" or copy an exact technique.
That's why I don't like tutorials, there is no receipt, very image is an individual.
 
Uzay 
Posted 2 years ago
This is the reply i got from Antonio Diaz:


"I would like to explain how I make that pictures but I think that is imposible to me in English. even in Spanish is difficult too.

First of all, I studied all master painting, how they feel the light of the scene. Second I´m an amateur painter and when I take a photo I think like a painter.

I´m sorry but I can´t explain more, I'm not a master using Photoshop. Everything I do with it are simple actions.

All you have to do is watch the great masters of painting, Velazquez, Zurbaran, Rembrandt, Caravaggio ...

I appreciate your interest and your kind words."

 
Ben Goossens  Curator
Posted 2 years ago
I think, it starts with good lighting and composition and experiment afterwards with Photoshop !
f.e: try a "copied layer" on blending mode "Multiply", make a "Layer mask" and reveal some parts with the back brush...use the "dodge and burn" tool to darken or brighten some parts... play with "Color balance" and "Curves"... add a "texture layer" on blending mode "Soft light"...experiment further with "Levels" and "Saturation" by "Adjusting layers" till you are satisfied....
there are so many possibilities, it would take a book to explain!!!!

Success !

 
Posted 2 years ago
Uzay wrote
All you have to do is watch the great masters of painting, Velazquez, Zurbaran, Rembrandt, Caravaggio ...

Good advice even if it is not your goal that your photos look like paintings.
 
Posted 2 years ago
Look also at the remarkable work of 1X photographer Joan Kocak.

Uzay wrote
This is the reply i got from Antonio Diaz:
"...First of all, I studied all master painting, how they feel the light of the scene. Second I´m an amateur painter and when I take a photo I think like a painter.
..., I'm not a master using Photoshop. Everything I do with it are simple actions.

IMHO, Antonio's comments were meant to placate the naive. I don't buy that what he does is too difficult to explain in his native tongue. I could explain it just by looking at his images, or offer a very good guess in any case.

What Antonio doesn't say is that besides being good at dodging and burning, he is very good at controlling the light he uses on his sets (i.e., "...think[ing] like a painter"), primarily by blocking light from landing on areas he wants to fall into shadow (i.e., "...simple actions").

I think Antonio is also too modest in his protestations regarding his expertise in Photoshop because some of the effects he achieves would be difficult to achieve by lighting, dodging and burning alone, unless he is also proficient in multiple exposures, using and masking multiple light sources and other "old school" (i.e., pre-Photoshop) techniques.

My hunch is that he apprenticed with a professional photographer or has been very diligent, persistent, clever and intelligent in his analysis of old school techniques--by no means negative assertions, but there is more to Antonio than he reveals in his reply to Uzay or in his 1X profile.

 
Posted 2 years ago
Kamerads, reply from Antonio, he had experience also for photo that being rejected. Back to the topic, you all can learn from his web blog, its in spanish, I don't understand, but what I do understand when I saw the information tecnique describe with photo at the web, he use filter -->other-->highpass, this high pass really give superb and crispy image.

Keep Shooting and Editing
Donal Husni
www.flickr.com/photos/donalhusni

Hi Donal

I´m grateful for your nice words. Really I don´t have any difficoult technics in PS. I´ve got two or three simple rules and they are published in my blog: http://www.antoniodiazphoto.blogspot.com/

I think my participation in this page will be brief because I do not understand the criteria for selection of published works. I have provided better pictures that have been rejected. Really I do not understand that a photograph like the one I show here can be rejected and the picture "la vie en rose" accepted.

 
Posted 2 years ago
when wide landscape images look like paintings it is pp for sure :)
but good for him he has very good pp....
the people that offer knowledge are very rare.... even in books authors are afraid to reveal too much
i appreciate so much the two persons that have been very helpful to me
 
Posted 2 years ago
Oke Here's that I understand :

Open your Image, Ctrl+J (create layer) then layer adjustment with chanel mixer then shift +ctrl+alt+e to create new group layer then adjust layer mixer again.

After that merge down, then create 3 layers (original, Over, and desaturated), at over take filter --->others --->highpass same also at over then after that blend the over and desaturated, your image will look like blurry and highpass, then try with all blend mode till you find the painting effect look. Then Flatten Image. You can adjust brightness, contrast, etc to have final desired effect and off course your own style. Wa la......job done.....

Have a nice try.

Best Regards
Donal Husni
 
Posted 2 years ago
Share Knowledge, cause you'll left knowledge that benefit others when you died.
Lot of Example : Einstein, Ansel Adams, Henri Cartier Bresson, Eugene W Smith, etc.

 
Posted 2 years ago
others who can adapt well to the technique, please do share.........we all very hunger with this new "eye catching digital process" photo.

Really love antonio work, its soooooooo damn beautiful.
 
Posted 2 years ago
i have a location in my mind where i can have good natural light control and i have an idea of still life that i like... if i push myself to do it i will share the results and method
thanks for sharing !
 
Posted 2 years ago
The highpass in colour and in softlight are keys. Also tonal contrast (shadow/highlights) but everything with delicate touch. What you see in Antonio's work can't be copied because there is only one Antonio. Most people think when they have a tutorial they can achieve the same result. Basic thing they forget is that personality plays the ultimate role in the result. I agree with Antonio about refering to old masters. Just take a good look and shuffle the buttons in PS. Do not go to sleep untill you reach YOUR translation of what you saw.
 
Posted 2 years ago
DeLone wrote
The highpass in colour and in softlight are keys. Also tonal contrast (shadow/highlights) but everything with delicate touch. What you see in Antonio's work can't be copied because there is only one Antonio. Most people think when they have a tutorial they can achieve the same result. Basic thing they forget is that personality plays the ultimate role in the result. I agree with Antonio about refering to old masters. Just take a good look and shuffle the buttons in PS. Do not go to sleep untill you reach YOUR translation of what you saw.

Very well spoken!
 
Uzay 
Posted 2 years ago
Thanks guys for your help, i appreciate the contribution you made, there is another issue and i don't want to start another thread maybe it's better to talk here, how can i make the skin softening better and look like the ones in 1x.com, yes i searched internet but i want to learn from 1x.com members
(yes i know 1x.com is not a school but a gallery but maybe some of you want to help me)
 
Posted 2 years ago
try blur tool, make the strength about 2-5%
IMHO
 
Uzay 
Posted 2 years ago
donal, thanks for your help, i tried blur tool, surface blur, gaussian blur in all different variables but couldn't get the results as in 1x.com, maybe there are some more details needed.
 
Posted 2 years ago
What Antonio does is a FINE HDR using 3 shots -2, 0, +2. Then charge the 3 as 3 layers (not using ps hdr metod). Then combine this 3 layers. Antonio have a very well explained tutorial in Spanish, unless you do not understand Spanish ( I do, :)) it is easy to understand with the screenshots in it. Any case, you could use Google translator.

http://antoniodiazphoto.blogspot.com/2009/04/hdr-manual.html

Thanks for sharing Antonio.

 
Posted 2 years ago
Miguel Angel Pineda wrote
What Antonio does is a FINE HDR using 3 shots -2, 0, +2. Then charge the 3 as 3 layers (not using ps hdr metod). Then combine this 3 layers.

Yes. and the key here is the fine tuning in the prosess. As a painter myself i can understand what he does with light and composition preshooting, but the PS work is as mentioned, just HDR probably with no tonemapping, and done with delicate hand. As always....less i s more :)
And it looks good :)
 
Posted 2 years ago
I am extremely interested in this too. I have found this DVD and it is SUPER expensive, but I trust that this is the subject:
http://www.kelbytraining.com/product/impressions-of-nature-a-landscape-amp-seascape-photo-painting-tutorial-2-disc.html

I want to learn how to achieve similar effects to the one from this photo: http://1x.com/photos/member/24460/26165/

 
Posted 2 years ago
i gave it a try :) not on still life but on a documentary image but with same light i will use with still life if i wanted..... i think light control including textures and correct colors is the most important.... processing is only 10% to my belief and all i did was using the highpass filter for sharpening at the end...
i will share the result in a few days..

 
Uzay 
Posted 2 years ago
Alex Dylikowski wrote
I want to learn how to achieve similar effects to the one from this photo: http://1x.com/photos/member/24460/26165/



There is some strange but good kind of glow in this one.

 
Posted 2 years ago
can't really find a way to create that effect. There are simple filters in Photoshop, but this is not what I want. I am really trying hard to understand how I can learn to achieve similar effects....as in this picture: http://1x.com/photos/member/24460/26165/

Would anybody have any idea how it can be done exactly? What are the tools that were used in Photoshop? Just a guidance...this is what I need. Appreciate your help a lot.
 
Posted 2 years ago
Hola.

En primer lugar decir que me gustaría expresarme en inglés pero mi dominio de este idioma es muy básico. Cuando respondo a algún comentario en inglés que sepáis que supone un gran esfuerzo para mí. Voy a contestar en mi idioma porque creo necesario dejar por escrito qué pienso de algunas opiniones que se han vertido aquí.

Un amigo me ha advertido de que este debate se estaba desarrollando aquí y se había aludido a mi persona en varias ocasiones, me era totalmente ajena la discusión.

En primer lugar quiero expresar mi disgusto porque dos personas han hecho públicas conversaciones privadas. La comunicación pertenece a todos quienes participen en ella y es necesaria la anuencia de todos los participantes para hacer público lo que es privado.

En segundo lugar, no entiendo el interés por saber cómo hago las imágenes de bodegones porque?, sinceramente, no tienen misterio, y además por el número de imágenes rechazadas que tengo en esta página sería un contrasentido hacer las cosas como yo si con ello lo único que se consigue son imágenes que van a ser rechazadas.

Lo he dicho en multitud de ocasiones, no tengo secretos, quien esté buscando mis secretos se verá profundamente decepcionado porque no existen. Las técnicas que conozco las hago públicas en mi blog, y además si alguien me pregunta por algo en concreto siempre he contestado, tanto en público como en privado. Pocos preguntan por cuestiones concretas, casi todos preguntan por cómo se hacen mi imágenes? Siempre que respondo a alguien lo hago con sinceridad, no entiendo cómo pueden utilizarse mis palabras con cierto aire de sorna, no me guardo nada. Quien crea que guardo algo le aconsejaría que buscara más en su interior.

Puedo contestar a preguntas concretas ¿Cómo se potencia el color? ¿Cómo se aumenta el contraste local? ¿Cómo se enfocan las imágenes??, pero es imposible que yo pueda transmitir el saber hacer una imagen de principio a fin con una estética concreta porque eso es imposible transmitir aunque os llevéis toda una vida junto a mí. Mi modo de hacer las imágenes pertenecen a mi alma, a mi sentir?, y eso no se puede transmitir aunque lo quisiera. Podíais preguntar a cualquiera que piensa del amor, pero no podrás transmitiros cómo lo siente.

No existen recetas. Existen técnicas concretas con las que conseguir un efecto concreto. Podéis aprender a tocar todos los instrumentos de una orquesta y quizá nunca ser capaces de crear música que transmita emociones. Saber tocar el piano no te convierte en Chopin.

Empezaremos por el principio, y el principio es que yo empecé en la fotografía hace cuatro años ¿cómo podéis pensar que sé algo de esto? Photoshop lo conocía de referencias, nunca lo había visto. Quien piense que soy un experto en el retoque fotográfico también se equivoca. Sólo sé hacer algunas cosas, y todo lo que sé hacer nadie me lo ha enseñado, lo he descubierto por mí mismo. No entiendo nada de fotografía, entiendo algo más de imágenes porque me gusta la pintura, he sido un pintor aficionado. Me gusta entrar en museos, visitar exposiciones. Soy como ese tipo raro que veis en los museos y que puede gastar una mañana completa sentado delante de una obra maestra de la pintura intentando analizar como su autor ha modelado la luz para conseguir su objetivo, los matices de los colores cómo juegan y se complementan, cómo la composición puede guiarnos a través de toda la imagen. Dónde están las pausas, los contrapuntos, en resumen?, intento empaparme de la armonía de una imagen.

Debéis saber que no tengo ningún sistema de iluminación, lo podéis creer o no, pero lo único de lo que dispongo es de una ventana a la calle, un visillo que cubre la ventana, y una cartulina blanca que utilizo a modo de reflector. Mi virtud, si es que tengo alguna, está en sacar provecho de lo que tengo, que es poco y modesto. La mayoría de mis bodegones están hechos con el objetivo Canon 18-55 mm, que por cierto es un objetivo que la mayoría desechaba. Yo no podía desecharlo, era el único que tenía cuando empecé.

Cuando me dispongo a hacer un bodegón me pienso antes que quiero transmitir y cómo debo ejecutarlo. Las resultados no suelen ser producto de la casualidad.

Para mí la composición es importante, debe ser simple y con la única misión de guíar a la vista. No me gusta recargar la composición, dos, tres, cuatro elementos para no dispersar la mirada. Sé que es la regla de los tercios y qué es el número racional Phi y cómo de él surge la sección áurea. Cierta vez me pasé una fin de semana completo encajando La Gioconda en una red áurea :)

Al no disponer de ningún elemento de iluminación tengo que plantearme previamente a hacer la fotografía qué tipo de luz tengo y qué pretendo conseguir. El secreto de cualquier imagen es la luz. La luz te muestra las formas y moldea los colores. Mi objetivo al hacer una fotografía para un bodegón es conseguir una imagen plana, es decir, una imagen que tenga un histograma concentrado en el centro. Al no disponer de una cámara con un buen rango dinámico investigué sobre la técnica de HDR y cómo no me gustaba ninguno de los programas que lo ejecutan ideé un sistema propio (el método es público en mi blog). Como veis, el HDR surge ante la necesidad. El HDR es una herramienta que evidentemente obviaría si dispusiera de una buena cámara, en tanto no la tenga seguiré investigando para paliar mis deficiencias técnicas.

No siempre uso el HDR para hacer los bodegones, si se consigue una imagen plana de principio no es cuestión de perder el tiempo :)

Una de las primeras cosas que se aprenden en PS es que cualquier imagen puede oscurecerse sin pérdida de calidad, pero al contrario, es decir aclarar?, lo único que se consigue es degradarla en mayor o menor medida, así que si bien es cierto que la imagen debe tener un histograma concentrado en el centro, no es menos cierto que debe tener cierta tendencia hacia las luces.

Lo primero que hago con la imagen base es extraer todos y cada uno de los elementos de la escena, y me sirvo para ello de canales alfa y de los trazados. Mis preferencias se inclinan por los trazados pero no siempre es posible su utilización.

Una vez conseguida la imagen "plana", lo único que hay que hacer es incrementar el contraste general así como el contraste local. El contraste general es fácil de conseguir sólo hay que hacer una curva en forma de "S". El contraste local es otra cosa?, más compleja y curiosamente provoca en el espectador sensaciones curiosas de estudiar. Hay muchos plugins para incrementar el contraste local, a mí particularmente no me gusta ninguno de ellos, entre otras cosas porque no me gusta que otros hagan por mí lo que quiero tener bajo control. Tengo un método personal y manual para el contraste local que aún no he hecho público por falta de tiempo. Es un método que me permite incrementar la percepción de nitidez en el espectador sin que por ello tenga que sacrificar el color en mis fotografías y sin crear horrorosos halos. Lo haré público en mi blog en breve. El contraste local es importante para mí pues no dispongo de objetivos de alta calidad.

Una vez hecho lo anterior lo único que falta es incrementar las sombras donde la imagen lo demanda. Pare ello lo único necesario es saber cómo se comporta la luz, tener conocimientos del comportamiento de la luz y luego llevarlo a la práctica. Sobre lo primero decir que eso sólo se aprende con la observación, sobre lo segundo?, es muy fácil su ejecución, yo para ello me sirvo de múltiples máscaras de capa. Nunca actúo directamente sobre una imagen.

Es cierto que casi todas mis imágenes tienen una apariencia similar a la imágenes que surgieron de la escuela barroca sevillana. Yo siempre aconsejo seguir la escuela de lo que nos rodea; a mí el barroco no supone ninguna novedad, lo ha mamado desde pequeño y siempre surge en mis imágenes de modo natural. Criarse rodeado por este estilo marca, cualquiera que haya visitado Sevilla, sabrá de qué hablo. Esto no impide que intente adoptar otros estilos. No hace mucho después de un viaje a París traté de editar una fotografía dotándola de todas las características de la pintura impresionista y la expuse aquí, fue rechazada.

Estamos viviendo un punto de inflexión en la expresión artística, un umbral que todos tendremos que cruzar. La técnicas digitales están transformando el mundo de la imagen y todo aquel que no se adapte o lo rechace, estará negando la riqueza que nos proporciona. Comportarse como intolerantes a cualquier cambio en la fotografía clásica dejará descolgados a muchos.

Como veis no soy fotógrafo avezado, no soy un experto en PS, no tengo secretos, sí que soy una persona curiosa que le gusta saber cómo funcionan las cosas y cómo reaccionan los demás al contemplarlas. Sólo soy alguien a quien gusta de hacer imágenes y por el resultado?, bastante vulgar. Por favor no perdáis el tiempo preguntando cómo hago las imagines, ir a ganarlo a los museos contemplando a los grandes maestros. Ahí está todo, todo lo necesario y todo lo bueno.

Recibid mis saludos.
 
Posted 2 years ago
Ouedes jugar un poco con el programa Photomatix Pro 3 para tener un sentido de pintura en tus fotos (Fotografia-HDR).

Playing a little with Photomatix Pro 3 (HDR-photos) could result in a really good "painting-like" picture.

Saludos/Regards
 
Uzay 
Posted 2 years ago
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Antonio Diaz wrote
En primer lugar quiero expresar mi disgusto porque dos personas han hecho públicas conversaciones privadas. La comunicación pertenece a todos quienes participen en ella y es necesaria la anuencia de todos los participantes para hacer público lo que es privado


Hi Antonio, as far as i can understand you're angry to me since i wrote your private message to public without permission, i apologise for that but i didn't want to be rude against you and didn't want to have your disgust but i wrote your message here since it doesn't have anything very special or secret in it or harm you.

Again very sorry for that and thanks for your response

English is not my main language so sorry for that as well

Best regards


 
 
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