Monitor Advice
Posted 2 years ago
I know there were some threads about it, but I couldn't find specific models of monitors.

So, I'm looking for a good TFT/LCD monitor until 600 $.

Any suggestion are welcome. Maybe there are some factors I should consider when buying.

What is your opinion about this one:

http://gadget.md/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,flypage.tpl/product_id,4603/category_id,40/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,26/

Thanks.
 
Jacob Jovelou  Founder
Posted 2 years ago
The important technical factor when you select a display is the panel type. There are three major types of panels: TN, PVA and IPS. TN is by far worst, with viewing angles around 160°, bad color response (often around 70% of sRGB!). PVA is slightly better, but as a photographer I would not buy anything else than IPS. IPS (In plane switching) has viewing angles at 178°/178° (so does PVA sometimes so it is not a guarantee that it is an IPS panel!), superb color reproduction and good uniformity.

The Philips monitor you have been looking at has an IPS panel, but a rather old one (S-IPS, there are far superior H-IPS panels out now). Also, 20" is a bit small for photography work, and 1680x1050 is not even full HD resolution. I would look at a 24" monitor at 1920x1200 with H-IPS, like the Dell UltraSharp U2410 (factory calibrated!) or HP LP2475W. Both should fit your budget.

If you by any chance need a computer at the same time, look at the iMacs from Apple. The 24" version has a high quality IPS panel (the latest version is glossy though which can be a problem depending on your environment). The new 27" is absolutely amazing with 2560x1440 resolution, perfect colors and quite decent viewing angles/uniformity.

/ Jacob
 
Posted 2 years ago
Wow, Jacob. Thanks a lot for the walk through in the monitor theory. I'll bookmark this thread and have it as an advice.

I checked both the monitors you specified and I think is more likely to find a HP LP2475W monitor than Dell here in Moldova. So, I'll have that in mind.

Thank you!
 
Posted 2 years ago
John Roshka wrote
HP LP2475W

That's the one I'm using, and I'm very happy with it.
But, you have to have it calibrated. The factory setting was so far out it would not be usable. RGB settings were 255,255,255. After calibration R was still 255, the rest down around 230. And brightness down to zero, which gave a luminosity reading of 93 on the calibrator.

 
Posted 2 years ago
Thanks, Lars. I really wanted to read an opinion from a person who owns this monitor. Now I'm more determined to buy, but the thing is that they don't sell in Moldova. Will have to find a way...But, hopefully I'll be able to save some money until they appear on Moldova markets.

P.S. Are they available in Sweden? and how much would they cost there, in $ ? I have a friend who travels often to Sweden. Thank you.

Thank you!
 
Posted 2 years ago
Were did you by yours, Lars? How much? Think I need one of those......

Btw. What does it mean that the Dell UltraSharp U2410 is factory calibrated?
 
Jacob Jovelou  Founder
Posted 2 years ago
John Roshka wrote
Thanks, Lars. I really wanted to read an opinion from a person who owns this monitor. Now I'm more determined to buy, but the thing is that they don't sell in Moldova. Will have to find a way...But, hopefully I'll be able to save some money until they appear on Moldova markets.
P.S. Are they available in Sweden? and how much would they cost there, in $ ? I have a friend who travels often to Sweden. Thank you.

Thank you!

I own it too :) It is on my desk right now.

They cost 4000 SEK excl. VAT (25%) in Sweden which is a fantastic price for this monitor.

The only negative thing I can say about it is that sensitive eyes will see a bit of "rainbow-effect" (all colors flashing as a rainbow) when light areas are above dark backgrounds and the screen is running on low brightness. I suspect this is because of the wide-gamut technology used in the screen (I have seen wide-gamut Sony screens with the exact same effect). It is not a big issue unless you know that you are sensitive to these kind of effects.

/ Jacob
 
Posted 2 years ago
John, check out this review of the HP2475W. I'll probably buy this myself very soon.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm

JP
 
Posted 2 years ago
Wiktor Klette wrote
Were did you by yours, Lars? How much?

Multicom.no 5608.- alt inkl
 
Posted 2 years ago
Lars Grepstad wrote
Multicom.no 5608.- alt inkl

I tried pricerunner.se and found prices from 5 000 SE and up. That is about 700 $ and up...hmmm, interesting, in USA they are much cheaper... :)

I assume it's worth it.

 
Posted 2 years ago
@John, thanks for the review. Very comprehensive and interesting one.

Thank you.
 
Posted 2 years ago
John Roshka wrote
I tried pricerunner.se and found prices from 5 000 SE and up. That is about 700 $ and up...hmmm, interesting, in USA they are much cheaper... :)

That's the price including VAT, I guess. You should, as a foreigner, get around that. Norwegian VAT is 25%, I guess Sweden is not much different.
 
Posted 2 years ago
Lars Grepstad wrote
Multicom.no 5608.- alt inkl


Hmmm... Is it this one? http://www.multicom.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:2171722;c:100305 the price confused me.... 3.500 ++


 
Posted 2 years ago
No, 2475w
 
Posted 2 years ago
thanks jacob for that info. I'll check both monitors from where i'm at. =)
 
Posted 11 months ago
A new monitor from HP that looks promising. HP ZR24w.
Just got one of them up and running at work. Looks about as good as the HP LP2475w, and even cheaper. 24" IPS panel, non glare screen. Calibrates well. For some reason first calibration went wrong, but second time it went ok, and looks very much the same as the 2475 beside it.
Just wanted to tell, if somebody need a usable screen and don't have the budget for the Eizo's..
 
Posted 10 months ago
This is an interesting discussion. I am thinking of getting a new monitor. A little bigger is very tempting, like Apple 27 inch LED Cinema or Dell UltraSharp U2711. Is there anybody who has looked into this and can share his/her experiences?
 
Posted 10 months ago
Have two HP ZR22W, side by side - very pleased - a large working area for a very friendly price - just bit over ? 500 :)

Dare
 
Posted 10 months ago
... damn chinese keyboard :))) ... want to say: 500 euro ;)
 
Niels Christian Wulff  Book editor
Posted 9 months ago
Wich one would all you experts buy...?

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_zr24w.htm

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm

Im looking for a new screen so please help :-))

/Wulff
 
Posted 9 months ago
Neils, we tested both of these here at NBC and they both look great. I think your reviewer said it BEST about the zr24w:

If you want an sRGB gamut screen and do not want extended colour spaces, this would be an excellent choice, especially given the price point. Of course, if you want extended colour spaces then the Dell U2410 and HP LP2475W would be a better option in this area of the market.
 
kenp 
Posted 9 months ago
John Parminter wrote
John, check out this review of the HP2475W. I'll probably buy this myself very soon.
I have this monitor and would recommend it.
 
Posted 9 months ago
Niels Christian Wulff wrote
Wich one would all you experts buy...? http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_zr24w.htm http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm Im looking for a new screen so please help :-)) /Wulff
Well, I happen to have both of them side by side at my photo working space offshore, connected to two different computers. Both calibrated with Spyder 3 pro.
The reason is that somebody suggested starting a photo club on board.
Never really runned any real testing of the two up against each other. But they look exactly the same.
At home I've been using the 2475w since it came on the market, and I'm very happy with it. You need to calibrate it though. With the factory settings it was very much off on colors, and too bright.
RGB settings were factory set at 255, 255, 255, but ended up at 255, approx 230 and 230, brightness all the way down to zero to achieve approx 90 Cd/m2.
The one at work behaved similarly, except the brightness at around 30.

If you use Spyder, make sure you tick off rgb controls in the menu. Then take the work to adjust it manually as close as you can, not just within the box indicated at the screen.
By doing it this way I've got a very stable screen. I have only re calibrated when Ii changed computer. I'v checked the calibration regularly, and it is just as accurate as when first calibrated. The only thing you have to take into consideration is the room temperature. If it is colder in than when calibrated it will go off quite a bit.
And of course, leave it on for an hour before you calibrate.

I just purchased another monitor. A 27" Dell Ultrasharp, also with IPS panel. This is a higher reolution screen. I've had it in house for a while, but never found the time to set it up. I'll post the result here in a few weeks time.
 
Posted 9 months ago
I just saw Asus is on the market with a 24" screen with IPS panel too.
 
Posted 9 months ago
I too have since six months the new HP ZR 24W. I am very satisfied with it.
And of course calibrated (with Syder 3 Pro)
 
Posted 8 months ago
Lars Grepstad wrote
I just purchased another monitor. A 27" Dell Ultrasharp, also with IPS panel. This is a higher reolution screen. I've had it in house for a while, but never found the time to set it up. I'll post the result here in a few weeks time.
Hei Lars,
Any news on the Dell UltraSharp U2711? Is it any good?
Best regards/med vennlige hilser,
Frédéric
 
Posted 8 months ago
Papafrezzo wrote
Hei Lars, Any news on the Dell UltraSharp U2711? Is it any good? Best regards/med vennlige hilser, Frédéric
Sorry, I'm offshore for another week, plus possible some extra volcano ash delay..
I got it a while before I went offshore, but never found time to set it up. It will involve a new graphic card and hardware calibrating of two screens. I will post here as soon as it is done.
 
Posted 8 months ago
Jacob Jovelou wrote
I would look at a 24" monitor at 1920x1200 with H-IPS, like the Dell UltraSharp U2410
Thanks for the advice.  I picked up a used Dell 24" UltraSharp in excellent condition yesterday for 173 Euros.
 
Posted 8 months ago

King Douglas wrote
Thanks for the advice. I picked up a used Dell 24" UltraSharp in excellent condition yesterday for 173 Euros.
King !, you mean you have waited two full years to buy that monitor ?
that is a patience specific only for kings,and you are one.
I am impressed.
 
Posted 8 months ago
Al Sheihk wrote
King Douglas wrote
Thanks for the advice. I picked up a used Dell 24" UltraSharp in excellent condition yesterday for 173 Euros.
King !, you mean you have waited two full years to buy that monitor ?
that is a patience specific only for kings,and you are one.
I am impressed.
Al,

I use color-corrected, side-by-side graphics professional CRT's at my SCSI primary workstation--where I also have room for the large CRT's.  The Dell UltraSharp is for the computer in my bedroom, especially for browsing 1X.com.

But you're right...I'm not an especially early adapter since I'm on a limited income.

I'm flattered to be worth teasing.  :>)
 
Posted 8 months ago
Wow!! Talking about old school in a regal way!! CRT's AND SCSI !!  What exactly do have hooked up SCSI? Drives? Scanner? How do you calibrate your CRT's and how old are they. You know Sony stopped making Trinitron crt's about 4 years ago.
 
Posted 8 months ago
Clyde Beamer wrote
Wow!! Talking about old school in a regal way!! CRT's AND SCSI !!  What exactly do have hooked up SCSI? Drives? Scanner? How do you calibrate your CRT's and how old are they. You know Sony stopped making Trinitron crt's about 4 years ago.
Well, CGB, I'm old.  I've had my SCSI workstation for years and have kept it in good shape...running XP professional now, several large drives and my Epson 750P.  My CRT monitors are a 19" LaCie Electron Blue and a 20" Professional Servies ViewSonic, both of which I calibrate with the Spyder2Pro, and pretty well matched.
The SCSI workstation used to be my primary number-crunching PC and it could rip through very large data sets much faster than the IDE drives at my office.  However, it's hard to beat SCSI scratch disks when working with large Photoshop files.
 
Posted 8 months ago
Lars Grepstad wrote
Papafrezzo wrote
Hei Lars, Any news on the Dell UltraSharp U2711? Is it any good? Best regards/med vennlige hilser, Frédéric
Sorry, I'm offshore for another week, plus possible some extra volcano ash delay..
I got it a while before I went offshore, but never found time to set it up. It will involve a new graphic card and hardware calibrating of two screens. I will post here as soon as it is done.
Finally found time to set it up. Had to wait until some print jobs was done.
First thing I had to do was to change my Graphics card. The one I had in use was supposed to be able to run 2560x1440 resolution, but wasn't. Not all advertising is correct..
But I had a another one in the shelf. A bit of work, and I was up running.
Then I started the calibration program. Unpacked the Spyder 3pro after the trip to the Philippines. And it didn't work!
I've adjusted manually and got it quite ok, that is, looking like my HP LP2475w (which is an excellent monitor for my use).
I found that the span in manual adjustment is clearly wide enough to get it right. But have to wait for a new calibrator to see if it good or excellent.  New calibrator ordered on net as soon as I saw the old one was dead, kind of panicking..
So, stuck when it comes to printing for a while. Manual adjustment is not good enough for printing.

Another thing. I usually don't leave much calibration to the program. I use the calibrator more like a measuring tool. Adjusting manually until the measurement is not just within the frame in the Spyder program. I don't stop before it is spot on the ideal measurements. Then I let the program run.
After a restart, when I see the calibration program runs I don't want to see any change in color.
This procedure might take some time, but has given me a very stable system.
 
Posted 8 months ago
Folks, I need a suggestion too. I am considering Dell Ultrasharp u2410. Is it still valid? Is there anything better in the similar price range? What would you suggest?
 
Posted 8 months ago
Alex Dylikowski wrote
Folks, I need a suggestion too. I am considering Dell Ultrasharp u2410. Is it still valid? Is there anything better in the similar price range? What would you suggest?
I suggest you rather have a look at the HP 2475w which I think will be within the same price range. I've had one of them since they came on the market and have been very pleased with it. I just changed to the Dell u2711. Not because I think it is better, but I wanted the higher resolution and a larger workspace.
I've seen the HP 2475w compared to the Dell u2410 in reviews, and as far as I remember HP won at all points. Sorry I can't remember where I saw the review
 
Posted 8 months ago
I have also seen some interesting opinions on Asus PA246Q....I wonder how does it compare to Dell Ultrasharp
 
Posted 8 months ago
If that is the new Asus with IPS panel, I've seen reviews that gives it excellent marks. Good color accuracy, and very even measures. Looks promising. Anyway, most, if not all IPS monitors now are using LG panels.
But it is not only about the panel, it is about the rest of the hardware too.
HP even have a laptop series with IPS panels on the market now. A bit pricey..
 
Posted 8 months ago
Finally got time to get the Dell u2711 calibrated. Struggling a little.
I got all the measured values perfect, but for some reason I don't get a perfect match to the prints. Have costed me some canvas the last days.
With the brightness calibrated to 80 cd/m2 it still seems to be a bit on the bright side.
Will print some portraits later today. We'll see if the skin tones comes out right.
 
Christoph Hessel  Head moderator
Posted 8 months ago
I experienced the same, therefore I use two different profiles. One for "usual web development" and one for print development.


 
Posted 7 months ago
The Dell u2711 seems to do the job. Pretty happy with it now. Took the brightness down a little and it is now matching the printer perfectly. It might be even better than the HP.. And so nice to work on a 27" screen.
 
 
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